luxshine
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Post by luxshine on May 29, 2017 22:32:17 GMT -5
I assumed he was jealous in his original "Don't buy autographs with any Supernatural celebrity, better spend your money on charities" post, and I thought his "Oh, I never meant to insult Jared and Jensen, and I had no idea other celebrities gave to charities" apology was not sincere.
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Post by onali on May 30, 2017 13:07:02 GMT -5
I've asked someone who went to PurCon if there were questions asked about Rowena.
She said that Ruth was very dissapointed, she (Ruth) said she wasn't asked or told beforehand about Rowena's death. Ruth had a German translation with her and she repeated that a couple of times. The other actors didn't know what it meant. My friend knows what the tranalation said but she hasn't told me yet.
Ruth refused to answer questions about Rowena's future. Ruth finally broke when someone really rudely said Yeah now that Rowena got roasted by Lucifer.
In short another unhappy camper.
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Post by paforrest on May 30, 2017 13:43:23 GMT -5
I've asked someone who went to PurCon if there were questions asked about Rowena. She said that Ruth was very dissapointed, she (Ruth) said she wasn't asked or told beforehand about Rowena's death. Ruth had a German translation with her and she repeated that a couple of times. The other actors didn't know what it meant. My friend knows what the tranalation said but she hasn't told me yet. Ruth refused to answer questions about Rowena's future. Ruth finally broke and retorted with Yeah she got roasted by Lucifer. It really feels to me like Ruth became collateral damage on the heels of whatever went down between Mark and TPTB. Obviously Dabb and Singer decided to cut all ties with Crowley's story, which meant screwing over Ruth and eliminating her character in such a tacky manner. Disgusting. As is Travis in his apparently never-ending vendetta against the Js, but especially Jensen, for whatever happened with TPTB's decision to no longer pursue his character on the series. It seems he also blames his own creepy behavior on the Js, or Jensen, that caused Creation to cut ties with him. The fact that he still follows what's happening on the show and in the fandom is very stalkery and worrisome.
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Post by SkeksisGirl on May 30, 2017 16:17:34 GMT -5
As is Travis in his apparently never-ending vendetta against the Js, but especially Jensen, for whatever happened with TPTB's decision to no longer pursue his character on the series. It seems he also blames his own creepy behavior on the Js, or Jensen, that caused Creation to cut ties with him. The fact that he still follows what's happening on the show and in the fandom is very stalkery and worrisome. Wait... what? TAW blames the Js for stuff?
This is news to me. Please elaborate.
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Post by idahoforspn on May 30, 2017 17:08:39 GMT -5
I want to know if they really didn't tell Ruth before the episode.
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 30, 2017 20:20:55 GMT -5
As is Travis in his apparently never-ending vendetta against the Js, but especially Jensen, for whatever happened with TPTB's decision to no longer pursue his character on the series. It seems he also blames his own creepy behavior on the Js, or Jensen, that caused Creation to cut ties with him. The fact that he still follows what's happening on the show and in the fandom is very stalkery and worrisome. Wait... what? TAW blames the Js for stuff?
This is news to me. Please elaborate.
It's news to me, too. And it seems we're drifting off-topic again. Maybe we could get back to what Ruth is saying about what happened with Rowena?
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Post by saltgunempty on May 30, 2017 21:28:53 GMT -5
TAW getting worse somehow. It's news to me, too. And it seems we're drifting off-topic again. Maybe we could get back to what Ruth is saying about what happened with Rowena? But I don't wanna and I should be allowed to dictate things. Rowena being a last minute kill would explain her death not being shown. I'm going to guess something went down with MS, which is the really juicy thing, and she was collateral damage. Maybe whatever it was built for awhile and came to a head near the finale filming. It's cold that they didn't even tell her and it could have effected her working on other things. Killing her seems like an overreaction to Crowley being gone from a story pov. She could have still been a viable character without him and it comes off as petty.
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Post by idahoforspn on May 30, 2017 21:52:25 GMT -5
I want to know if it's true before I speculate to much. I will throw a tantrum if it's true but until then...I'm calm.
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 30, 2017 23:01:55 GMT -5
TAW getting worse somehow. It's news to me, too. And it seems we're drifting off-topic again. Maybe we could get back to what Ruth is saying about what happened with Rowena? But I don't wanna and I should be allowed to dictate things. Rowena being a last minute kill would explain her death not being shown. I'm going to guess something went down with MS, which is the really juicy thing, and she was collateral damage. Maybe whatever it was built for awhile and came to a head near the finale filming. It's cold that they didn't even tell her and it could have effected her working on other things. Killing her seems like an overreaction to Crowley being gone from a story pov. She could have still been a viable character without him and it comes off as petty. I sure hope that was sarcasm. Since I'm the mod for this board and all. As far as Rowena being killed off, well, this writing team's Tell and Show have not matched up all season. It's part of what makes the writing so terrible. So, I can see them feeling she was only a part of Crowley's storyline and needed to be killed off as quickly and summarily as possible to cut off all links to that story (never mind that the biggest link--Lucifer and his son--is alive and kicking). You would think episodes like "Regarding Dean" would prove otherwise, or that the writers would at least give her a little of that screentime they wasted on Kelly and her endless pregnancy moping to wrap up her conflict with Lucifer, which was about *her* and not simply removing an ally for TFW.
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Post by SkeksisGirl on May 31, 2017 2:14:42 GMT -5
TAW getting worse somehow. But I don't wanna and I should be allowed to dictate things. I sure hope that was sarcasm. Since I'm the mod for this board and all. If you want to talk about other things, then ask one of us to move the off topic stuff to a new thread. We can easily move things to keep several conversations going.
Also, I still wanna know what was going on with TAW... and if anyone wants to inform me, please PM me, or start a new thread.
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Post by saltgunempty on May 31, 2017 11:30:10 GMT -5
TAW getting worse somehow. But I don't wanna and I should be allowed to dictate things. Rowena being a last minute kill would explain her death not being shown. I'm going to guess something went down with MS, which is the really juicy thing, and she was collateral damage. Maybe whatever it was built for awhile and came to a head near the finale filming. It's cold that they didn't even tell her and it could have effected her working on other things. Killing her seems like an overreaction to Crowley being gone from a story pov. She could have still been a viable character without him and it comes off as petty. I sure hope that was sarcasm. Since I'm the mod for this board and all. As far as Rowena being killed off, well, this writing team's Tell and Show have not matched up all season. It's part of what makes the writing so terrible. So, I can see them feeling she was only a part of Crowley's storyline and needed to be killed off as quickly and summarily as possible to cut off all links to that story (never mind that the biggest link--Lucifer and his son--is alive and kicking). You would think episodes like "Regarding Dean" would prove otherwise, or that the writers would at least give her a little of that screentime they wasted on Kelly and her endless pregnancy moping to wrap up her conflict with Lucifer, which was about *her* and not simply removing an ally for TFW. It was sarcasm. Sorry, I'll do "/s" next time. Kelly really was the gift that kept on giving. I figure that Rowena was either only seen as part of Crowley's story or it was wanting to remove someone who could more believably bring him back because someone overreacted. She really didn't need to die with him and now they've shrunk the world a bit again. Her reaction to Crowley dying and how she fit in the alternate universe and Lucifer spawn season could have been good.
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 31, 2017 12:04:10 GMT -5
I sure hope that was sarcasm. Since I'm the mod for this board and all. As far as Rowena being killed off, well, this writing team's Tell and Show have not matched up all season. It's part of what makes the writing so terrible. So, I can see them feeling she was only a part of Crowley's storyline and needed to be killed off as quickly and summarily as possible to cut off all links to that story (never mind that the biggest link--Lucifer and his son--is alive and kicking). You would think episodes like "Regarding Dean" would prove otherwise, or that the writers would at least give her a little of that screentime they wasted on Kelly and her endless pregnancy moping to wrap up her conflict with Lucifer, which was about *her* and not simply removing an ally for TFW. It was sarcasm. Sorry, I'll do "/s" next time. Kelly really was the gift that kept on giving. I figure that Rowena was either only seen as part of Crowley's story or it was wanting to remove someone who could more believably bring him back because someone overreacted. She really didn't need to die with him and now they've shrunk the world a bit again. Her reaction to Crowley dying and how she fit in the alternate universe and Lucifer spawn season could have been good. Kewl. I wasn't sure. Possibly an even more harsh reason for getting rid of Rowena--she and Crowley were originally from the British Isles, and she and Eileen (originally from Ireland and also a Woman of Letters) went down with the LoL ship (no more British Isles stuff at all). From the way they've acted in the past, I can see a bit of vindictiveness regarding the failure of the LoL from both Dabb and Singer, too: "Oh, you hated the British Men of Letters, but you liked Rowena and Eileen? Well, screw you. You're going to lose them all." I'd like to believe that people are more mature than that, but I've heard too many stories about the industry that indicate otherwise and Singer and Dabb have both said and done things that make it pretty clear they can, indeed, be that petty. Neither one has ever had what you'd call a great relationship with the fandom. Gamble was similarly defensive. Carver snarked a lot and was a bit too low-key, but didn't seem to hold any particular ill will toward anybody. Kripke has an ego the size of the great outdoors and can get pissy, but he also probably engages with the fandom the most of the show's showrunners. For example, Mark Sheppard's alleged con story that Singer wouldn't let him and Mark P change any of the dialogue in the season finale jibes totally with Singer grumping bitterly on an episode commentary a while back about Jensen taking too much credit for ad libbing. Though I do think there's some bad blood, specifically, between Mark S and the showrunners at the moment.
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Post by anouck9 on May 31, 2017 12:42:10 GMT -5
For example, Mark Sheppard's alleged con story that Singer wouldn't let him and Mark P change any of the dialogue in the season finale jibes totally with Singer grumping bitterly on an episode commentary a while back about Jensen taking too much credit for ad libbing. Though I do think there's some bad blood, specifically, between Mark S and the showrunners at the moment. It does sound all the more petty no to let him change it when he probably knew that Crowley was not coming back. Wasn't the "changing lines" also a running theme in th French Mistake? Seems to be an old and recurring issue...
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Post by saltgunempty on May 31, 2017 13:43:17 GMT -5
It was sarcasm. Sorry, I'll do "/s" next time. Kelly really was the gift that kept on giving. I figure that Rowena was either only seen as part of Crowley's story or it was wanting to remove someone who could more believably bring him back because someone overreacted. She really didn't need to die with him and now they've shrunk the world a bit again. Her reaction to Crowley dying and how she fit in the alternate universe and Lucifer spawn season could have been good. Kewl. I wasn't sure. Possibly an even more harsh reason for getting rid of Rowena--she and Crowley were originally from the British Isles, and she and Eileen (originally from Ireland and also a Woman of Letters) went down with the LoL ship (no more British Isles stuff at all). From the way they've acted in the past, I can see a bit of vindictiveness regarding the failure of the LoL from both Dabb and Singer, too: "Oh, you hated the British Men of Letters, but you liked Rowena and Eileen? Well, screw you. You're going to lose them all." I'd like to believe that people are more mature than that, but I've heard too many stories about the industry that indicate otherwise and Singer and Dabb have both said and done things that make it pretty clear they can, indeed, be that petty. Neither one has ever had what you'd call a great relationship with the fandom. Gamble was similarly defensive. Carver snarked a lot and was a bit too low-key, but didn't seem to hold any particular ill will toward anybody. Kripke has an ego the size of the great outdoors and can get pissy, but he also probably engages with the fandom the most of the show's showrunners. For example, Mark Sheppard's alleged con story that Singer wouldn't let him and Mark P change any of the dialogue in the season finale jibes totally with Singer grumping bitterly on an episode commentary a while back about Jensen taking too much credit for ad libbing. Though I do think there's some bad blood, specifically, between Mark S and the showrunners at the moment. The dangers of sarcasm in text. Could be, it could also be Dabb removing as many of the characters that predate him being the showrunner as he can get away with to really leave his mark or just removing women. The nicest reason I can think of is that they don't know why things are liked or what works so they just started removing things. "They don't like the BMoL? Better remove anything like that to be safe." I'll never rule out people being petty, immature, shortsighted asshats. Never. At best it's incompetence and MS being so openly pissed makes it look like more than that. Well, pettiness on top of incompetence in this case. The dialogue changing has come up before, right? Yeah, I could see that going over like a lead balloon after the season Dabb and Singer have had. The relationship deteriorated and then there was one last petty moment to drive it home.
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Post by Mystique on May 31, 2017 13:53:15 GMT -5
As far as Rowena being killed off, well, this writing team's Tell and Show have not matched up all season. It's part of what makes the writing so terrible. So, I can see them feeling she was only a part of Crowley's storyline and needed to be killed off as quickly and summarily as possible to cut off all links to that story (never mind that the biggest link--Lucifer and his son--is alive and kicking). You would think episodes like "Regarding Dean" would prove otherwise, or that the writers would at least give her a little of that screentime they wasted on Kelly and her endless pregnancy moping to wrap up her conflict with Lucifer, which was about *her* and not simply removing an ally for TFW. Unfortunately, there is no TFW anymore as the show stands now. Dean branded them, and since Cas is currently dead, all that's left is the brothers with Mary off in an alternate reality. I love Dean and have from the start, with Cas being a very very close second, I can see this "Just the Brothers against the world" stripping him of all his progress and reverting him back to season 1 Kripke status . I would have very much preferred to see Rowena than Kelly, and Crowley far far more than Luci and anything having to do with him. Even though TFW is what makes this show for me, I liked Crowley quite a bit more than Sam, who for the most part I am indifferent to unless he does something of note-good or bad. So, losing engaging main and recurring characters and fan favorites and the actors that play them brilliantly for the never-ending nightmare that is the Dead Horse Luci story, just makes no logical sense. All it does is make it extremely apparent that the "show-runners" are inept storytellers and oblivious (intentionally or not) to the audience. What the show has done this season, and Dabb specifically with the finale, is atrocious. I still hope that someone with power steps in realizing that clearly the show can no longer be trusted to run things on it's own. Jensen has mentioned before and in his short TV Guide interview that the studio takes a position of "If it ain't broke, don't fix it". However, even though it isn't broken yet, steps should be taken to avert that from happening and to reverse the damage that has already been done. Usually micro-managing has negative effects, but in this case, I can see it can only improve upon the current state to which these show-runners (and I use that term loosely) have taken the show. Sorry if it came off a little ranty, but it ticks me off when people are being paid to do a job that they either cannot or will not do at the very least adequately.
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