Well, despite the fact that the Js were clearly absent for most of the shoot - and as far as I know the same is going to happen in the next episode - and mostly utterly useless, AGAIN, I actually didn't think this was too bad an episode, especially for a mytharc story by Singer's two wives.
And there were actual surprises. First of all, I didn't expect that Danneel's character was going to be an angel - and I thought she was pretty interesting overall and that Danneel did a really good job. Sure, it's a pisser that she's being wasted on Lucifer, but at least the Jensen-hating Cas!stans on twitter and tumblr didn't get what they wanted, which apparently was for her character to fall instantly in love with Castiel, for some lame-o high school reason that only works in their pea brains.
The second surprise was how they didn't go the all too predictable route in giving Lucifer a straight-up redemption arc. Normally with him being all pitiful there for a while you'd expect them to go down that tired road, especially given how much freaking time is being devoted to Luci. But, no, he's still horrible and a bastard, so I don't feel like that's where this is going. At least, not yet.
Ketch is a slightly better character away from Mary - then again, who isn't. And at least he's being honest about working both sides.
Of course, the big surprise was Gabriel at the end, and at one time I might have been excited about that. But I've come to dislike Richard Speight so much that now the reveal falls flat on me. Still, it was legit unexpected, especially when for a minute there my stomach clenched and I thought Col. Sanders was going to reveal Adam!Michael in the cell, which would have infuriated me and probably cost me a new tv as my foot would have gone through the screen. I can put up with the return of Speight more than Adam!Michael.
I always like seeing Donatello.
All in all, I thought it was watchable enough and moved the story somewhat. 6/10
My standard 1 for Dean. 1 for Cas and 1 for Sister Jo. I enjoyed the interactions between Sister Jo and Cas, and Danneel and Jensen being on screen together again. And her being an Angel was a surprise. I found her intriguing and I wonder what decent writers could do with her character. It was great seeing Erica Cerra back on as well. Gabriel being alive was unexpected and cool too, even if the way they went about pulling an archangel blade (that hardly looks better than the spork) out of their asses to explain it, was insipid and lacked imagination. Donatello? Meh. All the rest of it with the excessive Luci, Asmodeus and Retch crap just stunk the episode up too much for me.
Last Edit: Feb 10, 2018 18:16:22 GMT -5 by Mystique
Team Free Will. One ex-blood junkie, one dropout with six bucks to his name, and Mr. Comatose over there. ~Dean
Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 9, 2018 20:45:51 GMT -5
I disagree that it's better for Lucifer not to get a redemption arc if he's going to have all this onscreen time. Not that I have *any* interest in seeing Lucifer redeemed (what I wanted was him ganked in season five, but life's not perfect and we don't always get what we want), but if you're going to waste that much time on a character, it better not be in the service of overexposing a villain who has always been, at best, one-dimensional and will only continue to be flat-line EVOL, with extra whining.
Post by saltgunempty on Feb 10, 2018 0:18:35 GMT -5
I’m caught up and binge watching some episodes didn’t help the experience.
One thing that has been consistent this season is that the MotW episodes are the stronger ones and they need the main characters to be main characters. They spent so many years killing off supporting characters that there isn’t much to turn to for the J2 lighter episodes or to flesh other things out. Now Ketch is involved again. The mytharc for the season has been a mistake and the angels were done years ago.
This episode was... the angels really are assbutt and idiots. Lucifer drags everything down and Supernatural season 13 displaying homelessness shouldn’t happen. No one needs to see the weirdly sexual, vampire imitating grace syphoning with Luci.
Donatello remains a treat and stupid KFC can stay away from him. Also, limit his knockoff KFC food intake.
I think Lucifer could be expanded on without a redemption arc but neither will work well because he sucks. There’s no fixing such a whiny brat of a villain who has been done to death.
I guess the reason I don't give a damn anymore about a redemption arc, if I ever did, is because, sure, I agree that the character is terrible, and Dabb/Singer totally screwed up his "history" the last couple of years so much that it further crapped on Kripke's original arc, even more than Kripke did himself at the end out of spite, making everything that came before an even bigger waste of time than it already was.
So I don't want to be force-fed the narrative that I have to feel sorry for Luci or care about him or think he's a good "dad" or anything like that, which would be completely predictable and expected from these showrunners/producers. Though I still think IF there is ever going to be an end to Lucifer, the producers may still have him suddenly sacrifice himself for Jack (probably in a fight with EVOL!Michael), like that's going to account for anything. But, again, it's a predictable scenario. Until that happens, Lucifer sucks and at least he's still being written that way.
Lucifer is totally the new Mary, who took over as #1 in the Dabb/Singer hearts last season. And I still actually dislike her so much more because despite her bad attitude and self-absorption, they were trying to sell us that she was all that and a bag of chips, when she clearly wasn't. And the whole British MoL storyline was gut-wrenchingly awful and made zero sense. Everything about last season was IMO completely horrible, so much so that I'm actually finding this season - by comparison, which isn't saying much anymore - to be better. Not good, certainly not great, this show will never be that again. That ship sailed and sank years ago. Just better and more watchable in general. Not that there haven't been episodes I've despised and given 0-2 or less than 0 rating. But, again, overall I'm finding more episodes watchable and with some semblance of merit than I did last season, which for me was almost entirely a write-off, as was much of season 11 too.
I probably rated this one a bit higher than I normally would have (maybe I would have given it a 4-5) because I really did like Danneel's character and the way she portrayed her - and because, as I said in my review, they honestly managed to throw in a couple of surprises. In another better season, that wouldn't have mattered as much.
Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 7, 2018 2:11:57 GMT -5
Danneel's a good actress and Amael does have potential as a character. Sadly, that character was introduced in an absolute hot mess of an episode. I mean, what was even going on with all the character motivations in that motel room stand-off?
thesnowleopard: The season finale was better than last season's finale. Hell, the whole season was better than last season. Some episodes were worth watching. Others were kinda messy.
Jun 12, 2018 22:47:11 GMT -5
onali: Since I haven't been watching the show I don't know how some (former) dead characters have returned (in what form) but I have to say that I don't miss the show at all. Is it still worth watching or not?
May 7, 2018 19:43:37 GMT -5
onali: It's been a long time since I've been here. Only watched the Season premiere then .... nothing. Every now and again I watched what you were rating the episodes and yes I've seen some spoilers (can some people just please stay dead??!!!!!) (1)
May 7, 2018 19:42:01 GMT -5
SkeksisGirl: I'm not, and I think I'm gonna stop working SPN conventions. BTW, welcome!
Feb 19, 2018 0:55:03 GMT -5
gopacgo12: Ok, so is anyone here going to the Las Vegas 2018 Supernatural convention, because if so I will see you there, but i'd just like to talk to some others
Feb 18, 2018 23:55:22 GMT -5
thesnowleopard: I have to wait until tomorrow night to "live recap." I don't currently have live TV, just streaming.
Oct 12, 2017 20:17:07 GMT -5
paforrest: Excited is not what I'm feeling. But I've set the dvr, will live watch Gotham & Will & Grace, then The Good Place off the dvr. Maybe tomorrow I'll FF through SPN if, and only IF, I hear there's any good Dean.
Oct 12, 2017 14:18:09 GMT -5
onali: So ... who is excited for tomorrow? I still have to re-watch the last couple of episodes, but I am lacking the enthousiasm.
Oct 11, 2017 21:45:06 GMT -5
SkeksisGirl: Just FYI guys, Luxshine is going to be in Florida come mid October. She and I are going to be vending as artists at Spooky Empire. So much hugs and puppies to her when she's here.
Sept 25, 2017 18:55:18 GMT -5
luxshine: Thank guys. There was ANOTHER earthquake here today, but this time I didn´t even feel it. Just dealing with a bit of PTSD. So if you can send fluffy things and cute Jensen or Misha pics my way, I´ll appreciate it.
Sept 23, 2017 16:37:18 GMT -5
onali: Glad you all are ok over there.
Sept 22, 2017 19:31:28 GMT -5
paforrest: So glad you're okay, luxshine! Absolutely heartbreaking situation. And I'm terrified and devastated for Puerto Rico and the other islands impacted by Maria. Mother Earth is very pissed off at us.
Sept 20, 2017 7:25:07 GMT -5
luxshine: New Earthquake here in Mexico. Now... a bit more savage than last week's. But I'm ok!
Sept 19, 2017 20:37:51 GMT -5
SkeksisGirl: And now we may have Maria...
Sept 19, 2017 13:10:20 GMT -5
luxshine: I'm glad people from Florida are ok! We had a bit of an earthquake in Mexico, but other than three terrified kitties, I'm ok.
Sept 18, 2017 19:14:05 GMT -5
paforrest: Belatedly checking in from Florida. My roof held and no trees fell on the house, miraculously enough. Spent two days cleaning up debris in the yard, but we fared better than most, for which I'm grateful. But I feel for so many that are suffering.
Sept 13, 2017 5:27:25 GMT -5
SkeksisGirl: Checking in from FL, I survived Irma with power and no damage to my apartment.
Sept 11, 2017 16:11:29 GMT -5
SkeksisGirl: As for Creation, this is why I work them.
May 27, 2017 17:00:08 GMT -5
SkeksisGirl: Oh, the new owners for Megacon are just turning it into a meat grinder. They've screwed over a lot of people.
May 27, 2017 16:59:57 GMT -5
paforrest: Yeah, I've been to a few Megacons in the past - they can be a cluster. But I was talking about how years ago I'd have been thrilled if a Creation SPN con finally came here. Now it is and I don't care and can't justify the money. Changing times.
May 27, 2017 5:34:48 GMT -5