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Post by NoblestRomana on Feb 14, 2017 20:28:29 GMT -5
Discuss.
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Post by nitar on Feb 15, 2017 1:05:23 GMT -5
Was excited initially at the thought of Mary coming back but now am not so sure. Really doesn't seem to be working for me. But I will wait till the end of the season to decide.
At this point, I just feel a little irritated by her whenever she does appear on screen - and I don't think that is what the showrunner was aiming for.
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Post by SkeksisGirl on Feb 15, 2017 1:10:27 GMT -5
Well, we all know the writing can be pretty shitty. I mean hell, the writers thought Samelia was a GREAT idea.
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Post by nitar on Feb 15, 2017 1:17:09 GMT -5
Yeah Samelia was really bad. Mary is nowhere near as bad as that. And I remember how they were promoting that in the beginning. Poor Jared tried his best to sell it.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 15, 2017 1:51:14 GMT -5
I really like Mary and think she has potential as a new Bobby character without the issues that caused Bobby (and John) to be killed off. Unfortunately, the writers seem to be struggling to figure out what to do with her when it's really not that hard. She's going through the same character arc problems that Castiel goes through, where he pops up every few episodes and then disappears for several more, and it's just not necessary.
As Castiel said, the SPNverse needs all the Winchester it can get. The writers just can't seem to figure out the obvious next step. They *always* do this. They've struggled with every side character. Hell, they're even struggling with Dean this season and Dean's their best character. It's not only Mary.
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Post by anouck9 on Feb 15, 2017 3:52:55 GMT -5
I've been on the fence for a while now. I want to keep liking her, but damn the writers don't make that easy. First of all, who is she? The woman who spent most of her time telling how she wanted to get away from hunting? Or the one who kept hunting even after Dean's birth? (which by the way, does he even know?) A shell-shocked mother still in mourning of her "babies" who can't seem to get her bearings, or someone who sees an opportunity to leave behind the "family life" that didn't turn up to be all that great? I have 0 problems with her not living in the bunker, but the lack of any meaningful interactions is making it hard to care about what and how she's doing. Offering to die in First Blood doesn't mean much from someone obviously not so much interested in living in the first place. (and actually, same goes for Castiel and his speech that seemed pasted on, like someone said "oh we need emotional scenes!") I have with Mary the same problem I have with almost everyone this season, I don't feel anything, like the characters are just there, without real connection and/or emotion. The focus on the relationships between the characters seems inexistant and it's even more glaring to me since I don't care one bit about the storylines about LOL, Lucifer v22 and EVOL Baby...
So I'm gonna wait, but I'm hoping for some changes. (and I hoped that it wouldn't involve the LOL but...)
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Post by loops on Feb 16, 2017 3:11:00 GMT -5
Right now I'm in the 'bad' camp waiting to be proven wrong. Mary is wasted so far, which is a shame because I think there's a lot of potential to be had with her character. The writers need to commit to something instead of all this fannying around between traits. She's just so wishy-washy and disposable. She doesn't have the feisty Mama Winchester attitude I expected when she first appeared. I was completely fine with her feeling a bit lost and struggling to find her footing at first, but leaving the boys and then offering herself up as a sacrifice with no real connection or development in between?
Pick a lane already.
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Post by paforrest on Feb 16, 2017 7:41:04 GMT -5
Was there a vote button that I missed?
Well, if you're still adding, my vote is BAD! And this is coming from someone who initially held out hope for good things with Mary's return, particularly where Dean is concerned. Boy was I wronger than wrong!
It seems obvious to me that Dabb and Smith discussed the character's return, and either or both decided that her being the brothers' mom was a bad thing, something they didn't want to play up. So instead they go the cold, distant, never wanted to be a mother, bitchy route. Then they further compound it by trying to make her a Sue-huntress extraordinaire as yet another in an increasing line of characters used to show up the brothers whom Dabb has little to no interest in. So, sure, go ignoring Dean or making him look like a fool, and that's just the way to force a character into my heart. NOT!
Frankly I've come to the conclusion that all Dabb has been doing this season is writing a Mary Sue Winchester spin-off, even if it's only for himself and nothing the network is interested in.
Bottom line, I really can't stand the character. On the upside, John no longer looks like the worst parent ever.
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Post by Mystique on Feb 24, 2017 17:06:52 GMT -5
This is just my opinion, but I still think her return was a good idea, especially for Dean. Though, I am one who is interested in seeing how her story plays out for her, and for the dynamic between her and all three in TFW, I also have hopes it has a positive effect on Dean.
Dean "I'm 90% crap" Winchester was raised taking orders and taking care of Sam with not much care and love shown him. He had in his mind the perfect mother image, the one that took care of him, called him her little angel and offered him pie, which he held onto. He was told by Chuck himself he was important, and has shown some growth in his self worth this season, but I do not think he feels vastly different in that area.
Now this same woman, his perfect sainted mother, was returned to him and she *gasp* happens to be a fallible human being as well, like everyone else on the face of the planet. Is she only the perfect sainted mother he remembered her as? No. Has she made mistakes? Yes. Does that hurt him? Absolutely. And I do not like to see him hurt. But I do think it's good for him to reconcile himself to the fact that she is all of those things, and that who he is seeing now of the person she is overall doesn't negate that part of her that he remembered.
I don't think her return was written in to accomplish anything other than a "Wow! Mary's back!" response, now "lets throw spaghetti at the wall and see what sticks". However, I hope that at least one of the aftereffects of her return results in Dean, not learning a lesson, but getting the message that his percieved imperfections do not make him unworthy. I'm sure Dean will always feel less than totally worthy, but if he can move that "crap" percentage down further, I call that a win.
That's just my thoughts on this story, at least, so far.
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Post by frozen_delight on Mar 1, 2017 14:34:53 GMT -5
I never liked Mary, so originally I was less than thrilled to see her come back. And then both Dabb's writing for the character and Sam Smith completely wowed me in "Keep Calm and Carry On". The storyline seemed to have so much promise, and they seemed so intent on taking all the implications of her return seriously...Unfortunately, ever since "The Foundry" I no longer see any of that. It's disappointing and frustrating. The writers seem to have no idea what to do with Mary, none of her development is explored on screen, and the way she randomly appears off our screens for two or three eps in a row certainly doesn't help either.
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