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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 1, 2017 2:48:13 GMT -5
Hoping we'll lose a few LoL this week.
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Post by frozen_delight on Mar 1, 2017 15:15:28 GMT -5
Hoping we'll lose a few LoL this week. Same!!!
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Post by onali on Mar 1, 2017 15:20:44 GMT -5
Hoping we'll lose a few LoL this week. Still haven't seen the psychopath were lady deadeyes talked about. Yeah he killed innocents, that makes him a murderer, where's the psychopathpart?
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Post by aduty1 on Mar 2, 2017 8:03:45 GMT -5
I have altered my prediction on this episode. From everything I have seen, I think it will go down like this. They will start with the other half of the Mary discussion. They will flash back to Mary and Ketch kicking ass. Dean will freeze Mary out. Sam will try and mediate and Dean will tell him to pick a side. Sam will choose the wrong side (again). Sam will go check in with Mary and get to see the LoL in action. The alpha will make a guest appearance and direct the Vampire's raid (but won't participate in it). Ketch will have a sit down with Dean that won't go well. The vampires will raid the LoL, kill lots of LoL and hunter recruits. Mary and Sam save the day. Sam tells Dean to give the LoL a chance. Dean refuses and the boys have another one episode break up. I don't know if I am going to watch this tonight but I really hope I am wrong.
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Post by Mystique on Mar 2, 2017 19:43:21 GMT -5
Hoping we'll lose a few LoL this week. We may, but they'll most likely only be redshirts and we'll still have Mick and Retch, probably to the end of the season. What I hope for, that will probably not be mentioned, is the fact that it was Dean that killed the Alpha Vamp's "mother" Eve, and not the group as a whole.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 2, 2017 20:13:22 GMT -5
Recap of vampires to this point, with an emphasis on Vampire!Dean and MoC!Dean, needless recap of the LoL with an emphasis on their toys, a brief reference to the Colt, and last week's Mary confession.
Cut to Now and Mary still confessing. Dean is furious. Mary claims what the LoL "are doing, it's a better way."
Sam looks betrayed and asks her how long she kept it from them. Mary admits that the crappy episode the other week was them running an errand for the LoL. The Brothers point out there were casualties and when Mary admits she feels bad, Dean says, "Good."
Cut to Mary and Retch arriving at some random warehouse with security, at night, in the snow. Retch is talking about awesome and easy their new toy was. And that right there is the LoL's Achilles Heel--if it's not easy, they're dead.
Ugh, another Super-Sekrit Bunker Base. So not interested. So boring.
Back to the Mary confession conversation. Dean calls her out on being absent almost all of his life and all of Sam's. Juxtaposed with Mary checking her texts begging Dean to talk to her and Dean giving back radio silence, Dean kicks her out of the Bunker. Sam backs him up (yay, Sam).
I am so very, very ready for the LoL to get burned to the ground, never to be seen or mentioned again.
Retch thinks they've got the best Winchester in Mary. Mick disagrees, saying that his sons are the de facto rulers of Hunter America and Retch doesn't get to take the call.
In the Bunker, Sam is having second thoughts and Dean is desperately seeking a new hunt. Dean gets mad when Sam suggests they talk to her, even though Dean's the one who has been in touch with her.
Dean calls Sam out on his "peacemaker shtick. You're always playing the middle, man. For once, pick a side."
After Dean leaves, Sam checks his texts and sees Mary asking him to contact her, urgently. Sam shows up at the Super-Sekrit LoL base. Guess he picked a side.
Mary still insists the LoL are a good choice and goes for Sam's soft spot that he wants a normal life.
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Post by gobeklitepe1 on Mar 2, 2017 20:16:43 GMT -5
So, did the LoL pull that base out of one of their deus ex machina toys? 'Cause even purchasing the land and getting the permits to build would take forever (yeah, I know, fantasy show but still...).
Oh, and I liked that Dean calls her "Mary" in their conversation, and not "Mom." He is truly ticked. (Also liked that he noted that he was never a child.)
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 2, 2017 20:19:22 GMT -5
As Retch confronts Dean at the Bunker with a peace offering of whiskey, Sam gets invited to a briefing at the LoL Super-Sekrit Base where they brag about blatantly violating American sovereignty and slaughtering Americans (albeit, vampire Americans) all over Michigan. Meanwhile, a vampire dude is talking to one of the survivors and tells her he has a plan.
The Alpha Vamp shows up. Am I terrible for rooting for him this week?
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Post by cluelessdrifter on Mar 2, 2017 20:22:05 GMT -5
Am I terrible for rooting for him this week? No. Absolutely not.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 2, 2017 20:28:53 GMT -5
At the Bunker, Retch is trying to feel Dean out. Dean says simply that Retch is trying to "recruit" him. Retch comes up with the usual lie that she went rogue. Dean is not impressed. Retch steps entirely wrong-footed in his arrogance all over trying to turn Dean and compares himself to Dean as another killer. Dean continues not to be impressed.
Dean asks him about the "line on vamps" Retch claims to have.
Back at the base, we have a stereotypically klutzy computer nerd (who is apparently a low-level Hunter) geeking out over Sam. Somehow, nobody ever seems to geek out over Dean this season. You know, the Firewall?
Mitch admits that the LoL are having trouble attracting good Hunters. Might be because those Hunters have you blokes accurately pegged as a bunch of amateurs from across the Pond, Mick.
Meanwhile, Dean and Retch are hunting vampires the low-tech way, but find nothing and no one--except the survivor we saw before. Retch starts to beat on her, while Dean watches, increasingly not thrilled, and Dean finally stops him. He talks to the girl. He says he won't let her go, but he will "make it quick."
Oh, and the Super-Sekrit Base is about to get taken down, as the girl tells Dean.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 2, 2017 20:31:13 GMT -5
So, did the LoL pull that base out of one of their deus ex machina toys? 'Cause even purchasing the land and getting the permits to build would take forever (yeah, I know, fantasy show but still...). Oh, and I liked that Dean calls her "Mary" in their conversation, and not "Mom." He is truly ticked. (Also liked that he noted that he was never a child.) They pulled it out of their arses, is what. And so did the writers. Apparently, they are even less inclined to do even basic research under Dabb than other showrunners. Yeah, I loved Dean's comment that he was never a child. That hit her where she lived. Also, liked her pleading with him by text while he ignored her. Way past time that table turned.
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Post by gobeklitepe1 on Mar 2, 2017 20:38:22 GMT -5
Wait...the super sekrit base was "not built for defense?" Seriously? The BMoL are complete morons, aren't they?
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 2, 2017 20:43:17 GMT -5
The vampire method of killing their way in is not especially scientific, but it sure is working. Sam and Mary immediately take charge, with Mary telling everyone over the intercom to "fall back" and not engage. Then she and Sam go out and grab a vamp to bring back in and interrogate. He tells them Alpha Vamp came back. One of the redshirts, a South Asian girl, claims the Alpha has been in Morocco for a decade, but Sam corrects her, saying he's been in the U.S. for at least the past five years (as we know from seasons six and seven). Mary asks if anyone in the room has killed anything and only the nerdy computer guy has besides Sam and Mary. Mary points out the base is not well-defended and Mick admits they don't have any contingency plans. Mary insists Mick bring out the Colt, which shocks the hell out of Sam. Mary admits she stole it from Ramiel, but Mick says they don't have any bullets.
No problem, says Sam, still thoroughly pissed off. He's got the recipe from Bobby, memorized.
Annnd of course, not all of the ingredients are readily at hand.
Meanwhile, Dean and Retch are riding to the rescue.
One of the redshirts gets it, from the Alpha, while Mick is trying to do the spell to make the bullets. The South Asian girl attacks him and also gets killed. As she dies, Mick slams the briefcase shut on the Colt and grabs the bullets. The Alpha drops the girl and stares after Mick.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 2, 2017 20:45:09 GMT -5
Wait...the super sekrit base was "not built for defense?" Seriously? The BMoL are complete morons, aren't they? Yep. Or, as I said before--rank amateurs who think they're experts. It's called the Dunning-Kruger Effect.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 2, 2017 20:51:54 GMT -5
So, it turns out the nerdy guy is working with the Alpha and he knocked out Mary. His job is to keep things quiet for the Alpha.
The Alpha calmly informs Mick that he didn't interfere in England because it was..."well...England." (love the contemptuous intonation of that) However, he is in charge of America. He intends to have Mick call up London and tell them to back off, while getting eaten onscreen.
Sam shows up and grabs the Colt. He proposes to make a deal with the Alpha--he can have Mick and he will back off, while Sam and Mary escape, and the uneasy truce between the humans and the vamps will continue.
Mick attacks Sam, but it turns out he's giving Sam a bullet. The Alpha calls Sam's bluff, then realizes what happened, right before Sam shoots and kills him.
Meh. Getting quite tired of Sam getting all these improbable and rather boring kills.
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