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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 9, 2017 21:33:53 GMT -5
Both, basically. So...Ruby all over again.
Not sure. I've been tweeting irately at Dabb and the show's official Twitter account. Just too much bad writing this season. It's not just Sam getting kills that are really above his pay grade while Dean completely disappears from the climax of multiple episodes. It's that even Dean's kills are too easy and the writing too linear, thus ruining iconic MOTWs.
Plus, Perez especially keeps making these pointed refs to obscure show mythology and then blowing even basic canon.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 9, 2017 21:36:20 GMT -5
He's not happy that Sam's working with them, or agreeing to do it too? Damn, is there somewhere we can actually write? I know it won't change a thing, but it might make me feel better Don't bother writing to Singer or Dabb; they really don't care. Dean fans played it nice a few years ago and it got us nowhere. I would write to the head of network; maybe point out that there are people on twitter that are already saying they're done for the season. But definitely, go over the showrunners, who have never been pro-Dean. They don't, but the network does, and the network does notice and give a shit about it.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 9, 2017 21:41:49 GMT -5
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Post by onali on Mar 9, 2017 21:59:30 GMT -5
I like Sam. But has Dean killed anything onscreen sonce Hitler? Ep 1 no kill Ep 2 no kill Ep 3 Sam Ep 4 Magda Ep 5 Dean (Ironically named The One You've Been Waiting For, but I think it should have been later in the season) Ep 6 Groupdeffort exorcising demon Ep 7 no kill Ep 8 Sam, no kill though Ep 9 no kill Ep 10 Castiel Ep 11 Dean Ep 12 Sam Ep 13 no kill Ep 14 Sam Ep 15 Sam So that's 2 for Dean, although were those witches really the big bad in comparison with Sam's kills so far?
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 9, 2017 22:11:33 GMT -5
So, five for Sam and two for Dean, and yes, Sam's kills have been much bigger. Also, not the kind of kills Sam has really been realistically built up as a character to make.
I mean, damn, I just about missed the Hell Hound kill tonight and she was supposed to be *the* Hell Hound, Lucifer's best.
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Post by paro on Mar 9, 2017 23:51:11 GMT -5
Another Perez disappointment. What's his issue with Dean anyways? Dean's computer savvy, he's a neat freak, he suffered a horrific death from a hellhound, he has a strong moral code....all of that got thrown out the window. It's like Perez was writing for a different character altogether.
And don't get me started on Dean missing out not only on the kill but on the action altogether! Although, I have to wonder how much of this is originating with Perez himself and how much of this attitude is trickling down from Dabb. Because, aside from the finale, Dabb sidelined Dean in every episode he wrote last season. Dean was saddled with babysitting duties, got smiting sickness, and was pretty dang ineffectual hunting routine werewolves while Super Sam overcoming incredible odds to save the day. And Dean missing out on all these major kills is the work of more than just one writer.
Anyways, yeah, not a fan at all of this one. Even HipsterDean in his cool glasses couldn't save it for me
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Post by nitar on Mar 10, 2017 1:31:54 GMT -5
They figure out the Hound is coming after Gwen because she hit it. Except that she only hit it because it came after her--oh, never mind. It's all very stupid. Is this guy for real? He call himself a writer? I was in a bad mood after seeing all the tweets and the comments but this actually made me LOL. My 10 year old nephew could write better stuff than this. LMAO. Thanks for the recap - its definitely much more entertaining than the actual episode seems to be.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 10, 2017 1:34:04 GMT -5
Thanks! I probably should have gotten drunk before I recapped this one. It would have been more entertaining for me.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 10, 2017 1:49:22 GMT -5
Snow, I thought the name of the hellhound was Ramses (which, of course, would still be bad for a female hellhound). Entirely possible and still totally random. Also, completely contradictory to Egyptian mythology and the character's gender. Ramses was the name of a few Egyptian pharaohs. Hell Hounds in the show are, variously, based on Greco-Roman and Celtic mythology. If they wanted to use a scary invisible Egyptian monster, they should have used a crocodile or at least called the Hound Ammit because Ammit was actually a girl. I figured it was...something, but there were so many other epic fails going on in this script that I just couldn't be bothered to go back and rewatch the way I did to try to figure out what the hell Perez was doing to Joshua.
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Post by Mystique on Mar 10, 2017 5:29:18 GMT -5
Thanks for posting the promo snow, and yes I love Claire's line too.
Well, seems my low expectations were met with this one. So I wasn't surprised, as I figured Sam would kill thee Hellhound, Dean would be elsewhere, Luci would bore me , and the story would have many plotholes as Perez's writing does fall in line with the Nep-Duo's writing and Dabb's/Singer's apparent vision.
I would like to know who was responsible for the tip of the hat to The Walking Dead with Lucille, because I did love that. I also loved Dean's concern about Sam taking care of Baby, as his love for her makes smile. And the Dean/Crowley banter was good. And amid the rest of this episode those were highlights for me. Hopefully we're on to bigger and better things until the next Perez monstrosity (which I hope gets given to Yockey and/or Glynn)
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Post by paforrest on Mar 10, 2017 8:11:03 GMT -5
Another Perez disappointment. What's his issue with Dean anyways? Dean's computer savvy, he's a neat freak, he suffered a horrific death from a hellhound, he has a strong moral code....all of that got thrown out the window. It's like Perez was writing for a different character altogether. And don't get me started on Dean missing out not only on the kill but on the action altogether! Although, I have to wonder how much of this is originating with Perez himself and how much of this attitude is trickling down from Dabb. Because, aside from the finale, Dabb sidelined Dean in every episode he wrote last season. Dean was saddled with babysitting duties, got smiting sickness, and was pretty dang ineffectual hunting routine werewolves while Super Sam overcoming incredible odds to save the day. And Dean missing out on all these major kills is the work of more than just one writer. Anyways, yeah, not a fan at all of this one. Even HipsterDean in his cool glasses couldn't save it for me I despise Perez, I think he's an even bigger ass than Adam Glass, but I absolutely agree that this anti-Dean attitude is coming from the top down, and IMO confirms what I said all season last year about Dabb being the one in charge almost entirely after Carver turned in his premiere script. Dean being sidelined and kept out of the action and doing a whole lot of nothing, except in Thompson's script Baby, had Dabb's grubby fingers all over it. And somehow I doubt Dean had anything to do in the original version of Dabb's finale script since it took four actors calling him to get to the final, albeit still lackluster, version we ended up with. Yeah, Dean was in it and got to interact with the two Chucks at the end, but he still just stood there. But, hey, it was more than he did the rest of the season. Perez appears to be Dabb's own Glass, who if you recall was a newbie hired by Gamble in season six, yet was elevated over everyone else as her second in command. But even those two with their "Sam alone saved the world" attitude didn't hate Dean as much as Dabb and Perez do - and that's even knowing how openly Glass displayed his personal dislike of Jensen on twitter. It's very disheartening. Crowley had a good story, which was unexpected and probably long overdue. It was the only thing of value I got out of this script.
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