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Post by Mystique on Mar 9, 2017 3:02:18 GMT -5
So, what would you rate this one?
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Post by onali on Mar 9, 2017 21:07:51 GMT -5
-10 I am so sorry but I am done with Davy Sam gets another kill, another hell houndkill, all hell houndcanon just thrown out the door. Dean accepting and going along with the BMoL, Dean's dumbing down with the computer/ app. I'm not even going to mention the Crowley/ Luciferdebacle/ Castiel. Messing up Baby. *breath in, breath out
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Post by jdwhit on Mar 9, 2017 21:38:55 GMT -5
It had potential. It had the sexy glasses. And it failed miserably.
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Post by SkeksisGirl on Mar 9, 2017 21:40:30 GMT -5
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Post by nitar on Mar 10, 2017 0:35:05 GMT -5
Didn't watch, don't intend to and from the comments, that was a wise choice. Not watching any more Perez, Berens, Dabb episodes. Let's see how the S12 finale turns out and then I MAY change my mind. Otherwise I am seriously done with this show. Need something else to watch.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 10, 2017 1:07:19 GMT -5
Dean makes even BCGs look hot. Crowley was surprisingly clever with Lucifer's attempted jailbreak (even though the entire situation is plain stupid). As much as I dislike The Walking Dead, Dean running around killing monsters with Lucille was fun.
Too bad the rest of the episode sucked Hell Hound chow and did its level best to ruin that particular MOTW. It's bad enough Sam killed the Hell Hound in season eight, but this was supposed to be the biggest, baddest, baddass Hell Hound and her death was blink-and-you-missed-it. I think Sam stumbled over her, or something. It certainly didn't make him look good the way Perez obviously wanted him to look.
Also, Perez can't keep even his own canon straight. All his snarky references and he had Crowley talking about how he and Dean had never worked together...besides, of course, "Two Minutes Til Midnight" in season five and Dean being forced to work for Crowley in season and, hell, how much of last season, now?
Perez needs to go blight another show.
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Post by nitar on Mar 10, 2017 1:19:49 GMT -5
BCG?
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 10, 2017 1:28:13 GMT -5
Birth Control Glasses. It's a term my dad used to use for military-issue prescription eyeglasses, called such because they were so ugly that wearing them guaranteed you would never get a date.
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Post by Mystique on Mar 10, 2017 6:11:20 GMT -5
I'll give it a 2/10
I loved that tip of the hat to The Walking Dead and Lucille. I do wonder who's idea that was? Because I have doubt's that it was scripted in by Perez. I also loved Dean's concern over Sam taking care of Baby, his love for her makes me smile. The Dean/Crowley banter was good. And Dean's instinct about something being up with Cas, in their brief conversation on the phone.
As for the rest, my low expectations of it were met and I wasn't surprised. I figured Sam would kill thee Hellhound, Dean would be elsewhere, Luci would bore me , and the story would have many plotholes as Perez's writing does fall in line with the Nep-Duo's writing and Dabb's/Singer's apparent vision.
Hopefully we are done with this slump (at least for now) and can move on to bigger and better things, that is until the next Perez monstrosity. Which I hope is instead given to Yockey and/or Glynn.
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Post by paforrest on Mar 10, 2017 7:46:22 GMT -5
Hopefully we are done with this slump (at least for now) and can move on to bigger and better things, that is until the next Perez monstrosity. Which I hope is instead given to Yockey and/or Glynn. I don't think this is a slump. I think this is the way Dabb wants the story to go and I don't see how it's going to change. Shockingly Dabb is a worse showrunner than Gamble for Dean fans in how much he apparently really has no use whatsoever for Dean Winchester and wants him neutered and tossed to the side. I've felt it all season long, and for me with this episode and last week's it's official - Dabb considers Mary/Sam Smith as the second Winchester lead, and Dean/Jensen Ackles is just in the way. It's the only explanation for why this particular writer, who is obviously Dabb's personal favorite given how much he's writing this year, would make the baseless decision right off the bat to hate a lead character going into a new show he is unfamiliar with. Personally at the end I even felt like Jensen was phoning it in, and I could hardly blame him. How thrilled can he be with how worthless Dean has become week after week? I know he's sticking around for the money, but he also loves - or used to - this character, and was at one time highly protective of him. And speaking of bats, I couldn't even enjoy the "Lucille" nod because IMO that was very likely Jensen's idea, and Perez/Dabb gave it to him since they knew Dean had nothing else the entire episode, hoping Jensen's fans would be distracted by the gimme and not bitch about everything else. Plus Perez used it to make Dean look like a neanderthal. Ironically the only good plot point of the episode was the surprising twist that Crowley really is in command of Lucifer. I give the episode a whopping half point for that. 0.5/10
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Post by Mystique on Mar 10, 2017 8:43:16 GMT -5
Hopefully we are done with this slump (at least for now) and can move on to bigger and better things, that is until the next Perez monstrosity. Which I hope is instead given to Yockey and/or Glynn. I don't think this is a slump. I think this is the way Dabb wants the story to go and I don't see how it's going to change. Shockingly Dabb is a worse showrunner than Gamble for Dean fans in how much he apparently really has no use whatsoever for Dean Winchester and wants him neutered and tossed to the side. I've felt it all season long, and for me with this episode and last week's it's official - Dabb considers Mary/Sam Smith as the second Winchester lead, and Dean/Jensen Ackles is just in the way. It's the only explanation for why this particular writer, who is obviously Dabb's personal favorite given how much he's writing this year, would make the baseless decision right off the bat to hate a lead character going into a new show he is unfamiliar with. Personally at the end I even felt like Jensen was phoning it in, and I could hardly blame him. How thrilled can he be with how worthless Dean has become week after week? I know he's sticking around for the money, but he also loves - or used to - this character, and was at one time highly protective of him. And speaking of bats, I couldn't even enjoy the "Lucille" nod because IMO that was very likely Jensen's idea, and Perez/Dabb gave it to him since they knew Dean had nothing else the entire episode, hoping Jensen's fans would be distracted by the gimme and not bitch about everything else. Plus Perez used it to make Dean look like a neanderthal. Ironically the only good plot point of the episode was the surprising twist that Crowley really is in command of Lucifer. I give the episode a whopping half point for that. 0.5/10 I still think that it has had it's ups and downs this season, and I do see this as a slump. If I didn't, I would stop watching, because what would be the point? I also don't think that Mary is anything more than fodder to them. If anything, Sam is their only "lead". But that doesn't stop the other writers from writing well for Dean within their episodes, as I highly doubt that Dabb or Singer pay meticulous attention to anything written by the others that doesn't include their pets.
I didn't see Jensen phoning it in, what I saw was Dean unhappily resigned to accepting Sam's choice, but reluctantly going along with it with provisions.
I think including Lucille was perhaps Jensen's idea too, but however it happened, I loved it. If putting that in to distract from the poor quality of everything else was the intention. It failed.
I, myself, thought that twist was meh. The idea was good but anything with Luci drains out all interest for me.
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Post by paforrest on Mar 10, 2017 9:34:39 GMT -5
I think including Lucille was perhaps Jensen's idea too, but however it happened, I loved it. If putting that in to distract from the poor quality of everything else was the intention. It failed.
I, myself, thought that twist was meh. The idea was good but anything with Luci drains out all interest for me.
For the most part I agree that the Lucifer thing is stupid and I don't care, which is maybe why because I wasn't paying attention to it that the twist caught me unawares, so I have to give it some credit. Ideally, yes, I'd like the whole Luci thing to go away, but given Dabb's lackluster storytelling, it's obviously not going to. I was mostly glad that Mark Sheppard was finally given something decent to do with his character, since the expectation was that Luci would get free all too easily given the set-up, and Crowley made to look like a moron yet again. I wish the rest of the episode wasn't such that I could have enjoyed Jensen's (and I'm giving him full credit here) "Lucille" gag. As for other writers, well, we have Glynn whose two episodes have been decent for Dean, so I hope the pattern continues. I'm on the fence about Yockey. And ... who else do we have? The Nep Duo aren't good writers in general, but I guess at least they don't appear to hate Dean on principle. But they're still beholden to Singer's input, and Singer and Dabb go hand-in-hand.
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Post by Mystique on Mar 10, 2017 10:45:22 GMT -5
I think including Lucille was perhaps Jensen's idea too, but however it happened, I loved it. If putting that in to distract from the poor quality of everything else was the intention. It failed.
I, myself, thought that twist was meh. The idea was good but anything with Luci drains out all interest for me.
For the most part I agree that the Lucifer thing is stupid and I don't care, which is maybe why because I wasn't paying attention to it that the twist caught me unawares, so I have to give it some credit. Ideally, yes, I'd like the whole Luci thing to go away, but given Dabb's lackluster storytelling, it's obviously not going to. I was mostly glad that Mark Sheppard was finally given something decent to do with his character, since the expectation was that Luci would get free all too easily given the set-up, and Crowley made to look like a moron yet again. I wish the rest of the episode wasn't such that I could have enjoyed Jensen's (and I'm giving him full credit here) "Lucille" gag. As for other writers, well, we have Glynn whose two episodes have been decent for Dean, so I hope the pattern continues. I'm on the fence about Yockey. And ... who else do we have? The Nep Duo aren't good writers in general, but I guess at least they don't appear to hate Dean on principle. But they're still beholden to Singer's input, and Singer and Dabb go hand-in-hand. I expected Crowley to have expected Luci to get free when he showed back up at the end and to have a plan. After all, everything was pointing to Luci coming out on top. And the idea was good, if it had been another enemy of his, other than played out luci, I could have enjoyed it enough.
The ep was pretty much what I was expecting, so I did enjoy that extra little tip of the hat, of which I was not.
I'm not on the fence about Yockey. Both of his eps were respectful of Dean. And were both pretty tight eps. We have Bring who wrote Beyond the Mat last year. And even though some of the directing for Dean went a bit over the top at times IMO, I think the writing was okay, hence why I'm holding out judgement on him. Berens may rebound, one never knows, at least that is what I'm hoping for. And the rest, including the Nep-Duo who barely write better than Perez IMO, are what they are. *Shrugs*
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Post by sleepersix on Mar 10, 2017 11:33:10 GMT -5
Loved Dean/Crowley (Dean's little shudder in response to Crowley's "I rubbed off ALL over you" was hilarious), Dean's glasses, Dean's glasses, Dean's glasses. Also Dean's glasses. And I was pleasantly surprised by Crowley's ingenuity regarding Lucifer's vessel.
Other than that . . . ugh.
Dean is a neat freak, always has been--since S1. He would never agree to go on another hunt without washing all the monster guts out of his hair. It's a small detail, really, but it pissed me off. It just seemed to dumb him down into lol!neanderthal territory--again, perhaps trying to create a contrast between blue collar Dean and the BMOL.
I disagree that Jensen was phoning it in. His line deliveries were my favorite part of the episode, esp: "A hellhound, hard to explain. It's a giant invisible hound from hell. Oh, that wasn't hard at all." I also loved his performance at the end when he was trying to accept Sam's decision, but you could still see how hurt he was by it.
Not loving Cas' story development. How many times this season has it been established that the bunker is his home and the Winchesters are his family? In the past two episodes the Winchesters have risked their lives to save him. Now he's going to back heaven and lying about it? I mean, it's his decision to return if he wants. But it just rubs me the wrong way how they did it. Basically, I'm not crazy about yet another person lying to Dean and Dean needing to just maturely accept it.
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Post by paforrest on Mar 10, 2017 14:42:53 GMT -5
Loved Dean/Crowley (Dean's little shudder in response to Crowley's "I rubbed off ALL over you" was hilarious), Dean's glasses, Dean's glasses, Dean's glasses. Also Dean's glasses. And I was pleasantly surprised by Crowley's ingenuity regarding Lucifer's vessel. Other than that . . . ugh. Dean is a neat freak, always has been--since S1. He would never agree to go on another hunt without washing all the monster guts out of his hair. It's a small detail, really, but it pissed me off. It just seemed to dumb him down into lol!neanderthal territory--again, perhaps trying to create a contrast between blue collar Dean and the BMOL. I disagree that Jensen was phoning it in. His line deliveries were my favorite part of the episode, esp: "A hellhound, hard to explain. It's a giant invisible hound from hell. Oh, that wasn't hard at all." I also loved his performance at the end when he was trying to accept Sam's decision, but you could still see how hurt he was by it. Not loving Cas' story development. How many times this season has it been established that the bunker is his home and the Winchesters are his family? In the past two episodes the Winchesters have risked their lives to save him. Now he's going to back heaven and lying about it? I mean, it's his decision to return if he wants. But it just rubs me the wrong way how they did it. Basically, I'm not crazy about yet another person lying to Dean and Dean needing to just maturely accept it. I'll concede that maybe what I felt was phoning-in was Dean way too meekly accepting Sam's deception to work with the BMoL. Not that I love that option anymore than the possibility of Jensen phoning it in, but by this point I was so livid and fed up that I simply couldn't wait to delete the whole thing as quickly as possible lest it infect other better things I have sitting on the dvr to watch. Sure, I admit I did enjoy the Crowlean banter in the woods. What killed it for me, however, was the too obvious realization that Dean was sent off to the woods for the 5000th time this season so he wouldn't be anywhere near the action, AGAIN! Otherwise, yes, very flirty, and I think Dean protests way too much since it's pretty much canon that Demon Dean and Crowley very likely spent some time rubbing against each other during their summer of love. Mark certainly played it that way. I honestly paid no attention to Castiel's part of the episode, it was so boring and just another lame overdone plot device to keep him away from Dean.
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