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Post by onali on Apr 10, 2017 12:31:37 GMT -5
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Post by thesnowleopard on Apr 11, 2017 1:21:51 GMT -5
Jensen seemed more re-engaged this weekend then he has all season. I can't blame him for being distracted. I mean, twins on top of a toddler? Any parent who wants to stay married was going to be mentally elsewhere for a while. But I was beginning to wonder if the distraction might become permanent and that Dabb & Singer had finally motivated him to check out and phone in the rest. Since he's talking about directing next season, I'm guessing not.
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Post by nitar on Apr 11, 2017 3:55:02 GMT -5
Jensen seemed more re-engaged this weekend then he has all season. I can't blame him for being distracted. I mean, twins on top of a toddler? Any parent who wants to stay married was going to be mentally elsewhere for a while. But I was beginning to wonder if the distraction might become permanent and that Dabb & Singer had finally motivated him to check out and phone in the rest. Since he's talking about directing next season, I'm guessing not. I hope so. This season has been very depressing from a Dean point of view and I really hope this means there is some hope for a better focus on Dean for S13.
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Post by paforrest on Apr 11, 2017 5:48:49 GMT -5
Jensen seemed more re-engaged this weekend then he has all season. I can't blame him for being distracted. I mean, twins on top of a toddler? Any parent who wants to stay married was going to be mentally elsewhere for a while. But I was beginning to wonder if the distraction might become permanent and that Dabb & Singer had finally motivated him to check out and phone in the rest. Since he's talking about directing next season, I'm guessing not. I hope so. This season has been very depressing from a Dean point of view and I really hope this means there is some hope for a better focus on Dean for S13. Well, directing doesn't mean Dean is likely to be written for next season anymore than he wasn't written for this year. That actually gives Dabb/Singer et. al. exactly the excuse to continue to do the opposite of writing for Dean. But Jensen may as well direct, especially if 13 is anything like 12 where he literally has nothing to do on screen but stand around in the background or spend the few minutes he is in any given episode in the cornfield. In fact, he should negotiate to direct more than one episode - without having to worry about acting or learning lines or directing himself in scenes, he won't need extra time to prepare to direct. I wish I was being sarcastic. I know he likes to direct, it's certainly more intensive and creative than the acting has become, and he does like a challenge. So I'm glad he's going to direct again. But I'm serious when I say he and his agent should try and negotiate for more than one berth, mostly because I think he could do it easily enough and it's good for the resume.
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Post by nitar on Apr 11, 2017 6:58:53 GMT -5
I know he likes to direct, it's certainly more intensive and creative than the acting has become, and he does like a challenge. So I'm glad he's going to direct again. But I'm serious when I say he and his agent should try and negotiate for more than one berth, mostly because I think he could do it easily enough and it's good for the resume. I agree and I would love to see him direct a more decent script than the one he normally gets. And I would love to see him direct more than one episode.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Apr 11, 2017 10:22:41 GMT -5
I hope so. This season has been very depressing from a Dean point of view and I really hope this means there is some hope for a better focus on Dean for S13. I think this season has unequivocally demonstrated what we all suspected all along--that it wouldn't have gotten nearly this far without an engaged Jensen playing Dean to the hilt. The scripts have always been iffy (rewatch season one--the scripts on the whole have never been Shakespeare), but Jensen doing his magic with Dean has always saved them over the long run. I think he was just too tired and too distracted by by family stuff (totally understandable from his end) this season to keep it at that level. I mean, the guy's only human. He's got a life. It would be plain sad if all he had at the end of 12 seasons was having played an iconic character really well. Could the writers have found a way around it, even one that was Deancentric? Sure. Is it a surprise that they didn't? Unfortunately, no. The overuse of having Jensen do heavy-lifting to replace the writing is too ingrained in the franchise at this point and the average TV writer's skill level just ain't that high enough to change it successfully. Watching how horrible other genre shows have been this season has convinced me that we actually could be doing a lot worse and that the writers of this show are probably congratulating themselves on how well they've done. The bar just ain't that high, folks. I mean, look how Nicole Beharie (especially) and Tom Mison got screwed over by the writing on Sleepy Hollow post-season one. SPN could easily have gone that route. I swear, it's as if all the writers of the genre shows this season got together at a party last year and made an unholy pact to write the crappiest season they could for their respective shows.
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Post by aduty1 on Apr 11, 2017 12:25:50 GMT -5
I hope so. This season has been very depressing from a Dean point of view and I really hope this means there is some hope for a better focus on Dean for S13. I mean, look how Nicole Beharie (especially) and Tom Mison got screwed over by the writing on Sleepy Hollow post-season one. SPN could easily have gone that route. I swear, it's as if all the writers of the genre shows this season got together at a party last year and made an unholy pact to write the crappiest season they could for their respective shows. I know how you feel. I'm a big Walking Dead fan and it frustrated me even more than Supernatural. You are right about Jensen/Dean too. They left him in the woods all season and now we are getting ratings of .5. Focusing on everything else was a disaster. Someone needs to have a heart to heart with Dabb and explain to him that he won't be able to tell any stories if the show is cancelled. Remember that and fans will forgive a few episodes where you indulge your pet characters.
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Post by anouck9 on Apr 11, 2017 12:59:04 GMT -5
I mean, look how Nicole Beharie (especially) and Tom Mison got screwed over by the writing on Sleepy Hollow post-season one. SPN could easily have gone that route. I swear, it's as if all the writers of the genre shows this season got together at a party last year and made an unholy pact to write the crappiest season they could for their respective shows. I know how you feel. I'm a big Walking Dead fan and it frustrated me even more than Supernatural. You are right about Jensen/Dean too. They left him in the woods all season and now we are getting ratings of .5. Focusing on everything else was a disaster. Someone needs to have a heart to heart with Dabb and explain to him that he won't be able to tell any stories if the show is cancelled. Remember that and fans will forgive a few episodes where you indulge your pet characters. I don't know enough about american TV to do if the drop is enough to make them sit up and take notice, but as long as the guy over Dabb is Singer, I don't think anyone is going to push for more Dean. Which makes absolutly no business sense to me, but Singer and Dabb are weird about it. In all fairness, there so much suck to go around this season (Lucifer, Lucifer Baby, Lame of Letters, etc...) that they could decide on a lot of change before getting to "oh, and apparently, people want to see Dean on screen, and see him actually doing something, not just looking pretty". And if Singer is the one deciding, we'll have yet another srotyline of "Wind behind Sam's sails Dean"....
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Post by thesnowleopard on Apr 11, 2017 20:42:54 GMT -5
Singer is over Dabb (as senior EP), but Pedowitz is over them both, and Pedowitz has made it pretty clear he considers it important.
It's like, just because The Flash is totally safe with that 0.9, that doesn't mean they're thrilled that it dropped below a 1.0. They want SPN around longer than 14 seasons (Pedowitz has said as much), which means they don't want it dropping at all, if they can help it.
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Post by saltgunempty on Apr 11, 2017 23:26:41 GMT -5
One of the weirder (and more self-destructive, confusing, bizarrely stupid, etc) things this show has done was the refusal to really embrace what they have with JA. They found a popular character played by a talented actor and then didn't really push that. Instead we've seen seasons where they minimize Dean and consistently drop his plot lines, but they've leaned on him to pull things off and prop up the latest brilliance for looong time. It's an odd contradiction and it's persisted over multiple showrunners.
I get that Dean in the show was different and expanded on the character from the initial script and whatever Kripke saw his show as but where it all got taken is still weird. You'd think someone would have offered some helpful "suggestions" about maximizing what the show has going for it. Limited Purgatory and Demon Dean lasting three damn episodes are still things that boggle the mind.
The Walking Dead for all of its issues at least realized Daryl was popular and expanded the character into a significant role. That show has been plagued with issues for most of its run and someone still managed to figure that out. If anything shows can overdo it with popular characters but not Supernatural. No, the Supernatural team has seemed resentful at times before leaning on JA/DW.
They might finally be running out of road with this method so I guess that's interesting.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Apr 12, 2017 1:01:13 GMT -5
You can blame the truncated nature of Purgatory and Demon!Dean on Singer. He's taken credit for shortening both.
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Post by crowleygal on Apr 12, 2017 3:49:42 GMT -5
Watching the main panel, Jared practically used the same words to describe this years finale as Jensen did for the s9 one. That he wasn't expecting the writers to go there and it surprised him that they did and he's exited for it.
Jensen was mute during this. He did not say he liked the finale or even mention one word about it.
So that means it most likely about Sam and Sam doing something big. I figure its either repeat of Swan Song with Sam saying yes to Michael (while Dean wonders in the the cornfield) or we find out Sam is one of the five things that can't be killed by the colt. (Dean wonders in the cornfield)
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Post by saltgunempty on Apr 12, 2017 8:55:57 GMT -5
You can blame the truncated nature of Purgatory and Demon!Dean on Singer. He's taken credit for shortening both. Not surprising in the least, it's just crazy that that was something Singer thought was a good idea and no one stopped.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Apr 12, 2017 11:45:10 GMT -5
Watching the main panel, Jared practically used the same words to describe this years finale as Jensen did for the s9 one. That he wasn't expecting the writers to go there and it surprised him that they did and he's exited for it. Jensen was mute during this. He did not say he liked the finale or even mention one word about it. So that means it most likely about Sam and Sam doing something big. I figure its either repeat of Swan Song with Sam saying yes to Michael (while Dean wonders in the the cornfield) or we find out Sam is one of the five things that can't be killed by the colt. (Dean wonders in the cornfield) Jared is always excited about the season finale and Jensen is generally mum. It means pretty much jack-diddly-squat in terms of spoilers. Unfortunately. More relevant, alas, is that Singer is directing and Dabb is writing it.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Apr 12, 2017 11:52:05 GMT -5
You can blame the truncated nature of Purgatory and Demon!Dean on Singer. He's taken credit for shortening both. Not surprising in the least, it's just crazy that that was something Singer thought was a good idea and no one stopped. Singer is very old school. He's stated outright that he doesn't like long, serialized storylines and he's always itchy about any changes to the franchise--which includes giving Dean the mytharc instead of Sam. In Singer's mind, Sam has always had the long storylines while Dean has basically acted as backup for Sam and fielded the MOTWs. Never mind that Dean's mytharcs in recent years have coincided with the show not only *not* declining in ratings like other shows, but actually going *up*. You are talking about a guy who is in his sixties, nearing retirement, and basically not going to change at this point. I would be completely unsurprised if Supernatural turned out to be his last industry project. He's been an EP for 12 seasons. I doubt he needs the money at this point. I'm a lot more annoyed at his wife being on staff, what with the fact that she and her writing partner suck at their jobs, because that isn't a function of age. It's just straight-up nepotism. I don't mind nepotism too much when it brings in people with talent (for example, I wouldn't have minded in the least if Carver's wife had come on over after Being Human was canceled), but I hate it when it props up incompetence.
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