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Post by Mystique on May 3, 2017 22:39:08 GMT -5
So, what is your rating?
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 4, 2017 20:16:49 GMT -5
It might have been a not-half-bad MOTW if half of it hadn't been devoted to the increasingly improbable LoL plot and it hadn't followed on half a season of stupid.
Also, killing off two characters like that was unnecessary.
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Post by Mystique on May 4, 2017 23:48:45 GMT -5
I'll give it a 5/10
I thought it was an alright episode, myself.
I liked that Dean got the kill. I get why he may feel a little unhappy about having to do it, thinking he had taken away the kids chance of doing exactly what Dean himself did, seems he didn't though. The witch twins were interesting. I liked the mention of Cas and what happened last week being included this week.
Sam fixing the colt? Yeah, okaayyy RME. Too much BMoL Retch crap and the re-addition of Tony brought it down. The rest, I thought was just Meh. It certainly could have been better, but it also could have been as bad as the last month and a half or so. So mediocrity? I'll take it.
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Post by anouck9 on May 5, 2017 6:06:50 GMT -5
...... So, some good and a lot of bad, which is apparently the best we can hope now. And also, in addition to Sammykin th Wonder Trick Poney, we also have the comeback of Unhappy Whiny Sam about hunting? Wasn't he so unhappy about not hunting with Daddy and Dean as a kid last year that he needed an imaginary friend? I'm starting to think that all this harping on Lucifer being the oldest is ground to prepare us for Michael with Sam as his vessel... Anyway, a semi decent in a season that is largely crap on moldy, soddy, rotten toast.
PS : I hope that's not supposed to be groundwork/foreshadowing for something that Dean would do that would cause Mary's and Sam's death so the show can pile on him again and again.
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Post by paro on May 5, 2017 14:23:26 GMT -5
Pros- I actually thought this was one of this season's better episodes. It felt more like old school SPN, with the creepy wicker man theme. The Banes family was an interesting mirror to the Winchesters. I also didn't feel like their presence overpowered the episode, unlike some of the other guest characters. And, thank Chuck, Dean finally got a kill and proved he's not just there to prop up Sam/Cas/Mary/the wall. I was beginning to wonder. Mary actually showing a little interest in her sons was also nice. It still doesn't redeem the character in my eyes but at least it was something.
Cons- yeah, killing off Alicia was just wrong. She and her brother had a lot of potential. As someone who really isn't into the whole Wayward Daughters thing, I'd really love to see some other new guest characters stick around. The whole Brits' storyline is just beyond ridiculous. The sooner it ends, the better. And I'm so, so beyond the show's idolization of Sam. Now he can fix the Colt too? Oh please.
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Post by paforrest on May 8, 2017 7:58:08 GMT -5
Pros- I actually thought this was one of this season's better episodes. It felt more like old school SPN, with the creepy wicker man theme. The Banes family was an interesting mirror to the Winchesters. I also didn't feel like their presence overpowered the episode, unlike some of the other guest characters. And, thank Chuck, Dean finally got a kill and proved he's not just there to prop up Sam/Cas/Mary/the wall. I was beginning to wonder. Mary actually showing a little interest in her sons was also nice. It still doesn't redeem the character in my eyes but at least it was something. Cons- yeah, killing off Alicia was just wrong. She and her brother had a lot of potential. As someone who really isn't into the whole Wayward Daughters thing, I'd really love to see some other new guest characters stick around. The whole Brits' storyline is just beyond ridiculous. The sooner it ends, the better. And I'm so, so beyond the show's idolization of Sam. Now he can fix the Colt too? Oh please. Because I heard that Dean was accidentally allowed a kill, I caved and tried to watch this one after the fact. I still ended up FF'ing through the majority of Mary Sue/Ketchup because so very bored now, and it was unfortunately the vast sum of the episode. And I can't even with Mary leaving a VM only AFTER Dean has left yet another one of the probably hundreds he's left her, as if that's supposed to show some kind of maternal concern. It doesn't, especially since we've seen this VM/text shtick before. First of all, it continues to piss me off that Dean's been reduced to pathetically groveling after this woman via phone calls and texts all season long. Dean, I love you more than cake, but I'd rather see your head cut off your body than watch you continue to be such a fucking loser. Get over it - she's just not that into you, and more than that, she doesn't deserve you anyway. And following that point, seriously, does Dabb honestly think if he does kill off Mary - and that would only come about because much of the audience is just not that into her - that many viewers would even care? She has spent almost the entire season separated from the brothers, so the emotional attachment simply isn't there. Yes, that's what Dabb and Sam Smith wanted, but it came with a price - the one where many fans either dislike her or simply don't care about her because she hasn't been a part of the Winchesters' world. Mary is a completely separate storyline, bottom line. So I can't give this episode more than a 3-4/10 because the Mary Sue/Ketchup stuff drags it down for me. OTOH, a 3-4 is pretty generous on my part for almost any episode this year. This season is such a crapfest. Still, if the episode was predominantly the Winchesters and the witch twins, I would have rated it higher. All that being said, I do agree that despite the fact that I honestly couldn't recall the "twins" after the hunter funeral episode, as characters in this particular episode they finally stood out and were pretty cool. So naturally that meant at least one of them had to die (RME!) - in this case really two of them counting the mom, who was also cool and SO MUCH BETTER than the Winchesters' mother. Isn't it Alicia who even says something along those lines to Dean, throws a diss at Mary? I don't know how that got past Dabb either, but I liked hearing it. So a point just for that line. Of course, that's probably also why she was killed off. The wickerman theme was creepy for a change, since sadly legit creepiness or horror is so very rare with this show now. Not sure I understood the different kind of demon deal that old witch/woman made - where was the 10 year contract? - but screwing up old canon is weekly par for the course. And while it was so nice and generous - RME!!!!!!!! - to allow Dean the kill this week, it still was rather blah given how he was passively placed in a chair for the entire scene, so not exactly badass. And then there is the obvious Sam/JP checklist demand that is still in play whereby Sam and ONLY Sam is allowed to know how to fix anything or pick a lock - things Dean used to be able to do but isn't allowed to do anymore - topped off with the added moldy cherry of the iconic Dean line about Dad being on a hunt now rewritten, as so many things have been over the years, just so Sam can say or do them. I don't even see Sam anymore, he's a ghost, nonexistent as far as I'm concerned. Like I already said once on this board, I really only see JP's agent or Dabb's Sam-checklist on screen. In fact, I saw on another board where someone speculated that this episode may have been shot when JP's latest kid was born. I don't know if the timing works out, but if that's true, then that's probably the reason Dean was allowed the kill this week, because they had to give JP some time off. So witch twins good, their (sadly) dead mom good, wickerman plot moderately interesting, Dean was allowed a kill even if it was a passive one. I'll split the difference for a 3.5/10
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