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Post by SkeksisGirl on May 24, 2017 21:56:40 GMT -5
Shit has gone down...
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 24, 2017 22:11:20 GMT -5
Mary's not dead and I seriously doubt we've seen the last of that alt-verse (or, sadly, Lucifer, even if it's highly likely the Naphil will look just like Mark P). So, she will be in at least a little bit of the season.
They've tried for years to make Castiel about Sam, but it's always gone down like a lead balloon. I don't see it working this time round, either.
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Post by onali on May 24, 2017 22:14:42 GMT -5
Shit has gone down... Holy sh*t SPN is becoming a dramaseries, Jensen always prides the show for not being one. Everybody gets along.
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Post by paro on May 24, 2017 22:28:20 GMT -5
Comic Con should be interesting this year.
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 24, 2017 22:44:51 GMT -5
It'll definitely be an hour worthy of popcorn and mojitos. Assuming there won't already be a big shakeup on the showrunner/writer side by then.
I wonder if the Comic-Con streaming network will carry it live? I get that.
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Post by Mystique on May 25, 2017 4:47:19 GMT -5
They kill off Dean... they kill the show. If they don't see that, they don't deserve to be running it. Yeah, well, IMO they don't.
I can totally see them getting rid of Dean after Castiel, whom I think is only remaining on the show for now to appease the fandom and to assuage fans anger, and to run with Kripke's original vision which was rejected.
I have little faith in the shows fate as it now stands, and where it looks to me to be heading. I can easily see cancellation in it's future unless someone steps in and stops this train from completely derailing. JMHO
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 25, 2017 5:02:50 GMT -5
Dabb & Singer might be just dandy with writing out Dean, but the network execs know perfectly well that would kill the show. So, don't expect that to happen any time soon.
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Post by Mystique on May 25, 2017 5:16:36 GMT -5
Dabb & Singer might be just dandy with writing out Dean, but the network execs know perfectly well that would kill the show. So, don't expect that to happen any time soon. Yup, that would definitely be the shows death knell.
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Post by paforrest on May 25, 2017 6:25:10 GMT -5
Dabb & Singer might be just dandy with writing out Dean, but the network execs know perfectly well that would kill the show. So, don't expect that to happen any time soon. Singer might not care either way, but if Dabb could fire Jensen he would, that much is clear now. The only reason he doesn't is because the network and studio are very aware that the show needs Jensen Ackles, so they won't let him. But that realization isn't going to be enough to make Dabb give a shit about writing for Dean - that much is also clear from season 12. So unless the CW or WB step in to demand a showrunner change, season 13 is going to be much of the same, if not worse than season 12. I'm waiting to see if Mark Sheppard is going to air all the dirty laundry at one of the 2017 Creation cons now that he took a flamethrower to the bridges.
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Post by aduty1 on May 25, 2017 6:34:06 GMT -5
We have already seen a season without Dean, season 12, and we saw how well that worked. Season 13 is already a wash, the show is being written right now so we are stuck with these show runners for another year. After that I expect 14 will wrap at 300 and I doubt they will make any changes to a short season so Dabb and Singer will get to completely destroy everything good about this show.
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Post by saltgunempty on May 25, 2017 9:10:28 GMT -5
Shit has gone down... This is going to be goood. Dude shut down that platitude/lie asap and he did it definitively. Supernatural seems to be breaking apart at the seams under Dabb and his idiots. Ratings dropping, Dean marginalized terribly, MS gone and pissed, RC gone and unhappy iirc and whatever else. I'm not sure how you screw up that badly that quickly.
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 25, 2017 14:37:33 GMT -5
Dabb & Singer might be just dandy with writing out Dean, but the network execs know perfectly well that would kill the show. So, don't expect that to happen any time soon. Singer might not care either way, but if Dabb could fire Jensen he would, that much is clear now. The only reason he doesn't is because the network and studio are very aware that the show needs Jensen Ackles, so they won't let him. But that realization isn't going to be enough to make Dabb give a shit about writing for Dean - that much is also clear from season 12. So unless the CW or WB step in to demand a showrunner change, season 13 is going to be much of the same, if not worse than season 12. I'm waiting to see if Mark Sheppard is going to air all the dirty laundry at one of the 2017 Creation cons now that he took a flamethrower to the bridges. Okay, once more with feeling. Dabb does not have the power to fire Jensen. Singer does not have the power to fire Jensen. The network *might* have the power to fire Jensen *if* he violated the terms of his contract (which there's no evidence he's ever done), *if* his contract were up (again, he's contracted through season 13, at least), and *if* they thought the show could last without him. But they don't even want to do that because why would they if he's not violating his contract? Keep in mind that while we don't know how much the show is making for WB, the implication has been for several years that the amount is fairly obscene. It's entirely possible that the show is not only financing itself but other WB shows like The 100 that don't have comic book funding behind them. I read an article once (which, alas, I can no longer find) that said shows operate in the red for the first five or so seasons and only then start to operate in the black, usually with syndication. This means that most shows, outside Hollywood Accounting, never actually make money. It's probably like publishing, where 90% of the books published don't make their advance back and are supported by the 10% that hit big. Hence, you have this pattern of all of these brand-new shows every season, a somewhat smaller number of shows scattered along the 1-5 season bracket, a few older shows in the 6-10 range where the rising costs are balancing the profits, and a very few ancient money makers past season 10 that are making their networks and production companies a *lot* of money. So, if push shoves and, say, Jensen gets into it with Dabb and Singer, I can pretty much guarantee you it would be like this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=83Z-_PfUVFIfor Dabb and Singer. Now, Dabb is easy. We already saw something like this play out with Gamble. Probably the only real problem here is who would replace him. The new writers currently on the board likely can't do it. I think it's pretty clear the Nepotism Duo aren't up to the job. So, it's just a matter of bringing back Carver (or some other former writer who has moved on to running other shows, like Raelle Tucker) or finding another showrunner unrelated to Supernatural. Singer's harder because I do think he's kept the show under budget and clocking along for quite a long time. But he also retired once (season 11) and it worked out just fine. He's expendable, too. So, it really depends. It could be Jensen's tired of fighting about this and he just wants to coast now. Or it could be he's just been temporarily distracted by the twins and brewery. He's always been reticent about using this power of his, which means it's actually grown because it doesn't appear he likes to throw his weight around. I think it's going to be an interesting summer.
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Post by aduty1 on May 25, 2017 15:12:08 GMT -5
If anything is going to kick this off its Mark S. and Ruth leaving the show and how they were treated. Phoenix is coming up and there is a good chance they will make their feelings known. Jensen in particular liked working with Mark. If the show runners treated Mark, Ruth and Misha as badly over their characters deaths as we have heard it might make Jensen step up. Its one thing for writers to write bad stories for characters and another for telling real people they are losing their jobs.
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Post by thesnowleopard on May 25, 2017 15:31:22 GMT -5
Well, I'd think that even at this point, both Mark and Ruth would be philosophical about a simple thing like being written out of the story. This show has a very high mortality rate. So, it's got to be more than that.
Jensen has stepped up for Misha before. He's been quiet so far, but he does tend to do most of whatever he does behind the scenes and not talk about it publicly.
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Post by onali on May 25, 2017 15:32:27 GMT -5
According to some people who went to Asylum, Mark S. has said in the lounge that there was a difference of opinion between him and the director (Singer??) Mark S. & Mark P. had difficulty with their dialogue and P. tweaked his lines for the better, according to S.
If that's true then it is the second time that the lines Dabb wrote for the finale were altered by the actors. Remember last year when both J's and M's rewrote their lines.
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