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Post by thesnowleopard on Jul 24, 2017 18:56:28 GMT -5
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Post by saltgunempty on Jul 25, 2017 18:37:38 GMT -5
I think my favourite part of the panel was Dabb saying they build things like how the Winchesters relate to other hunters up to tear it down. Good job summing up a problem or five, buddy. The panel in general felt flat to me.
Missouri... I like Loretta Devine as an actress but Missouri spent her one episode being a misery and an assbutt. I'm also worried what Dabb and co could do with another female character and this time a WoC, which is a sad state of affairs for the show. An old character from the history of the show with some popularity (?) and pre-pre-pre-Dabb as well. It's a minefield for them.
The Jack storyline sounds like it will suck and then drag on for too long. Never mind that not immediately killing/trying to kill that threat just to be safe is hysterically stupid and will hang over the entire season just like Kelly keeping the baby did. Sam's projecting for the twentieth time will surely annoy me and then he still won't learn from it because...they've both had a lot of head trauma? Narcissism? Stupidity? Come on, unless it's not wanting to piss off something too powerful to kill there shouldn't be any debate there. The Altverse just sounds like a meh way to skirt around death again.
The spinoff? Eh, probably bad but I usually make it a point to check out shows with a female lead. The CW loves it some expanded universes, though.
Maybe Sam's final death in the show will be him trying to relate to a scorpion and getting stung. It would be fitting.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Jul 25, 2017 21:39:49 GMT -5
What got me was Dabb claiming that last season was tough to write because the Brothers were too happy last season. And I'm thinking, "Sam being kidnapped and tortured by a new group hellbent on taking the Brothers' home away from them while their mother can't even look them in the face is your idea of 'happy'?!"
Loretta Devine is great. Too bad Missouri is a walking racial stereotype, complete with wooden spoon and "sassy" dialogue. In her one episode, she was also a humongous bitch. I sure hope we're not doing a young and hip version of that (let alone a helper figure) with this new character.
The Jack storyline is exactly like the LoL storyline--there's a lot of handwaving about whether or not the character is evil when there isn't a single hint he's good. It therefore ends up frustratingly linear and boring, and Sam looks like a total moron because we *all* know Jack's going to end up evil. It's Ruby all over again.
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Post by saltgunempty on Jul 26, 2017 14:25:01 GMT -5
I found it to be one of the more depressing seasons in recent memory to watch and Dabb found it difficult to write because it was too happy. That bodes well for whatever comes next and doesn't at all sound like an excuse or someone needing a crutch. Or someone grasping at straws. Mary couldn't look them in the face but it was also a deconstruction of a huge symbol within the show and a dead parent coming back only to shatter that image and not want to be around their kids. So happy. That family legacy looks like a truly awful legacy. So happy. Supernatural poking its nose into abortion. So happy. Lucifer impersonating the President and impregnating an idjit who didn't know he was the devil. So happy. Torture and messing with their home. So happy.
Missouri is a blatant racial stereotype that I think went relatively under the radar because LD is easily capable of bringing a warm presence to the screen and 2005 wasn't 2017, and it was a better done show then. Trying that same character now and potentially trying to replicate it with a CW appropriate actress sounds like it'll go over like a Man's Best Friend With Benefits (ironically taking place in St Louis, Missouri). It's a shame that as badly as Missouri was handled I still consider her a small wasted opportunity just from casting and what I think could have been. If I didn't think it would go terribly wrong I'd like her back for a second attempt with the character.
Exactly. I think that type of nature vs nurture question Supernatural uses stems back to Sam from the early seasons. It's only gotten less interesting and more lazily predictable.
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Post by paforrest on Jul 26, 2017 14:45:39 GMT -5
Missouri is a blatant racial stereotype that I think went relatively under the radar because LD is easily capable of bringing a warm presence to the screen and 2005 wasn't 2017, and it was a better done show then. Trying that same character now and potentially trying to replicate it with a CW appropriate actress sounds like it'll go over like a Man's Best Friend With Benefits (ironically taking place in St Louis, Missouri). It's a shame that as badly as Missouri was handled I still consider her a small wasted opportunity just from casting and what I think could have been. If I didn't think it would go terribly wrong I'd like her back for a second attempt with the character. I think LD is an awesome singer, but as an "actress", uh, no, I think she's one-dimensional and plays up the sassy stereotype herself to where it borders/crosses the line into nasty just too easily. So I fully expect a repeat performance complete with treating Dean like dogshit for no apparent reason than the showrunners think it's funny, just like Kripke did in Home. Misery - and she was a misery - ranks dead last or close to it of characters I ever wanted to see again. This is one episode I wish Dean really wasn't in at all.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Aug 5, 2017 22:27:09 GMT -5
She might have worked better with better writing. And Kripke wrote "Home," so that's all on him. I agree her role hasn't aged well, but ironically, I think that's also because SPN, in having such vivid PoC characters as Missouri, Henricksen, and Gordon Walker, created characters that other shows copied to the point of stereotype. They were still fairly shallow, being guest stars, but they looked better before a zillion clones of them popped up on other genre shows (albeit I think Walker will always work because Sterling Brown totally deserves that Emmy he may end up winning this year). Missouri's was by far the thinnest and most cliched, but she also only appeared once.
The funny thing is that Kripke originally was going to have Missouri become the kind of parental figure Bobby became, the actress was too busy.
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