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Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 16, 2017 21:32:31 GMT -5
Getting it not quite right is about the size of it. He has a very superficial understanding of why those elements were popular. Using them to prop up the crappiest parts of this season's mytharc is like sticking a nice slate roof on top of a house with moldy old termite-eaten piers instead of fixing the damned foundations in the first place.
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Post by Mystique on Feb 17, 2017 1:37:45 GMT -5
Wow! That was bad! Davy Perez needs to be let go. I very much disliked his first episode and hoped he would have done better, but just no, this was atrocious. I had said after his first episode that he seemed to be taking a page from the Nep Duo's book, but he's worse.
In his 1st ep, even though the story was crap, he made sure to parallel the story to Sam's history, brought up Sam's history and for good measure completely got rid of Dean for over half the episode.
This one, even though Dean was included in it, he completely ignored Dean's connection to Michael, who's only importance in this episode was his weapon, and for good measure had Sam be the one to use Michael's weapon and threw in frigging Luci on top of that who's connection to Sam is frequently brought up.
This dude clearly has an extreme bias that is more apparent than the holdover writers. Damn, no wonder why there were so many promos, they were really trying to sell this crap. SMH
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Post by fishpan on Feb 17, 2017 8:23:32 GMT -5
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Post by katefkndoes on Feb 17, 2017 14:16:11 GMT -5
Absolutely raging. I was excited when it seemed like Dean was going to fight with the Lance. I thought that would have been a nice tie in since he IS Michael's sword. I was really hoping there would be some reference to that but typically that plot of ignored. The Dean/Michael plot remains the biggest cop out of the entire show! And yet they KEEP going backs to it. On the upside there was some nice Cas moments this episode. And I really do enjoy Mark P's Lucifer. So I'm glad to see him back.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 17, 2017 15:11:48 GMT -5
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Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 17, 2017 15:24:57 GMT -5
SK, hon, is there any way we (or I) can change the quote text so that it automatically comes up different from the new text? It's very confusing as is. I know that TwoP did a similar format to this one and they did distinguish between the two. So, it ought to be possible if we can just figure it out. Anyone else remember?
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Post by katefkndoes on Feb 17, 2017 16:40:50 GMT -5
I already miss the thread posting on the IMDB threads 😔😔
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Post by NoblestRomana on Feb 17, 2017 17:09:59 GMT -5
SK, hon, is there any way we (or I) can change the quote text so that it automatically comes up different from the new text? It's very confusing as is. I know that TwoP did a similar format to this one and they did distinguish between the two. So, it ought to be possible if we can just figure it out. Anyone else remember? Is this better?
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Post by fishpan on Feb 17, 2017 17:27:41 GMT -5
Eh, I disagree about John being better than Mary on this subject, especially regarding the Colt. Daniel Elkins' blood wasn't even dry before John was cheerfully going after the Colt and John basically admitted he would have stolen it off Elkins if he'd thought he could get away with it. John was a pretty cold, hard bastard when it came to going after what he wanted. And as much as I liked Henry and wish he could come back, he could be pretty cold and hard, too. I am not sure if this will format right as I'm not sure how to do the quote this board. But I disagree with you Snow. I admit John could be a hard cold ruthless bastard and could see Henry being the same if push came to shove. But even with the colt we never saw that John kept information from his sons with regard to the jobs they were on. He expected them to do as they were told but when hunting with John they knew what they were hunting and what the objective was even if they didn't know why it was the objective. John acted as a cold hard ass Sergeant, but Mary just acted like a incompetent field officer and she blamed Ketch for it when it was her own damn fault. With Elkins and the colt, the brothers knew that John wanted them to go after vampires to get the colt. With this demon, Mary may have never knew the details of the demon itself but she manipulated her sons into the mission by using Wally without telling what they were after. If she had it would have probably caused them to alter their tactics and could have made Sam and Dean suggest that Wally just sit it out if it was just what was in the safe was the aim. Because if it is only the safe that is important why not simply go into the house when Ramiel was fishing? If they had done that then Wally wouldn't have died, Cas would have been less likely to be hurt and the brothers and Cas would have been better able to prepare. Also when push came to shove John used that gun to save Sam against a vamp. Mary knowing that only five things in creation couldn't be killed by that colt didn't use it to save her children. Because really if Ramiel hadn't brought the lance what exactly was her plan for them to get out of that barn seeing how she refused to admit she stole the thing even when an unstoppable Prince of Hell was threatening to basically wipe everyone out? Also did she not hand over the colt because she had promised it to the MoL and knew if the boys saw it they'd want to keep it?
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Post by Mystique on Feb 17, 2017 18:29:14 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Snow. From the promo and knowing this is a Nep Duo episode, I can't say I am expecting much out of it.
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Post by cluelessdrifter on Feb 17, 2017 20:22:34 GMT -5
Thanks for posting Snow. From the promo and knowing this is a Nep Duo episode, I can't say I am expecting much out of it.
With regard to John and Mary, I tend to think of John as fire and Mary as ice. I think John had a quick temper and was very passionate when it came to hunting, his obsession for revenge, and his idea of family. I think Mary is cold and calculated when it comes to hunting, her way of dealing with her current situation, and in her idea of family. They're opposites and equally as destructive in extremes.
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Post by SkeksisGirl on Feb 17, 2017 21:18:53 GMT -5
SK, hon, is there any way we (or I) can change the quote text so that it automatically comes up different from the new text? It's very confusing as is. I know that TwoP did a similar format to this one and they did distinguish between the two. So, it ought to be possible if we can just figure it out. Anyone else remember? Is what Noblest did good?
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Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 17, 2017 22:05:18 GMT -5
SK, hon, is there any way we (or I) can change the quote text so that it automatically comes up different from the new text? It's very confusing as is. I know that TwoP did a similar format to this one and they did distinguish between the two. So, it ought to be possible if we can just figure it out. Anyone else remember? Is this better? Yes! Now if only I can make sure not to post inside the quoted part....
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Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 17, 2017 22:17:06 GMT -5
Eh, I disagree about John being better than Mary on this subject, especially regarding the Colt. Daniel Elkins' blood wasn't even dry before John was cheerfully going after the Colt and John basically admitted he would have stolen it off Elkins if he'd thought he could get away with it. John was a pretty cold, hard bastard when it came to going after what he wanted. And as much as I liked Henry and wish he could come back, he could be pretty cold and hard, too. I am not sure if this will format right as I'm not sure how to do the quote this board. But I disagree with you Snow. I admit John could be a hard cold ruthless bastard and could see Henry being the same if push came to shove. But even with the colt we never saw that John kept information from his sons with regard to the jobs they were on. He expected them to do as they were told but when hunting with John they knew what they were hunting and what the objective was even if they didn't know why it was the objective. John acted as a cold hard ass Sergeant, but Mary just acted like a incompetent field officer and she blamed Ketch for it when it was her own damn fault. With Elkins and the colt, the brothers knew that John wanted them to go after vampires to get the colt. With this demon, Mary may have never knew the details of the demon itself but she manipulated her sons into the mission by using Wally without telling what they were after. If she had it would have probably caused them to alter their tactics and could have made Sam and Dean suggest that Wally just sit it out if it was just what was in the safe was the aim. Because if it is only the safe that is important why not simply go into the house when Ramiel was fishing? If they had done that then Wally wouldn't have died, Cas would have been less likely to be hurt and the brothers and Cas would have been better able to prepare. Also when push came to shove John used that gun to save Sam against a vamp. Mary knowing that only five things in creation couldn't be killed by that colt didn't use it to save her children. Because really if Ramiel hadn't brought the lance what exactly was her plan for them to get out of that barn seeing how she refused to admit she stole the thing even when an unstoppable Prince of Hell was threatening to basically wipe everyone out? Also did she not hand over the colt because she had promised it to the MoL and knew if the boys saw it they'd want to keep it? John used the Colt to test it out. Remember that Dean knew John was possessed in "Devil's Trap" because he knew for a fact John would have been furious that Dean had used the Colt to save Sam from Tom. Also, the only reason John told them about the Colt was because the Brothers put their heads together and ganged up on him, refusing to go any further with the hunt until he told them what he was up to. Up to that point, he'd been lying to them for decades and, in show time, all season. This is also the guy who couldn't be arsed to show up when Dean was dying in "Faith" or help in "Home." And who, yes, made a deal to trade his life, soul and the Colt for Dean's life--but then just couldn't resist whispering a last bit of vengeful poison in his eldest's ear. John's a great character to watch, but he's also vicious bastard. Mary is downright cuddly in comparison. I don't think John would have come looking for them if his sons had disappeared for three weeks. He was perfectly fine with Dean getting locked up in juvie. Mary is doing what every other Winchester and Campbell we've met (including the Brothers) has done--engaging in Secreth and Lieth. If we're going to have the Brothers be honest with each other, somebody else in the family unit's gotta be lying. That's just the way this show rolls. And c'mon, Mary was *always* lying to her family, from the Pilot teaser onward. While I think lying about the Colt wasn't the most brilliant thing ever, it wasn't even close to the nadir for anything a Winchester/Campbell has done, and I do think Mary would have done things differently if she'd known. Keep in mind that she is under the impression that the LoL are some hot stuff, who might actually threaten her sons if she doesn't play the game right, so she can't just disengage now. But she can deliver a stinging warning to Retch for giving her crap info that got Redshirt Hunter (we hardly knew ye, dude) killed and nearly got her kids killed. Which she did.
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Post by Mystique on Feb 18, 2017 1:36:16 GMT -5
Mary is doing what every other Winchester and Campbell we've met (including the Brothers) has done--engaging in Secreth and Lieth. If we're going to have the Brothers be honest with each other, somebody else in the family unit's gotta be lying. That's just the way this show rolls. And c'mon, Mary was *always* lying to her family, from the Pilot teaser onward. While I think lying about the Colt wasn't the most brilliant thing ever, it wasn't even close to the nadir for anything a Winchester/Campbell has done, and I do think Mary would have done things differently if she'd known. Keep in mind that she is under the impression that the LoL are some hot stuff, who might actually threaten her sons if she doesn't play the game right, so she can't just disengage now. But she can deliver a stinging warning to Retch for giving her crap info that got Redshirt Hunter (we hardly knew ye, dude) killed and nearly got her kids killed. Which she did.
Agree.
I also happen to like Mary. I find her storyline interesting, and like that she is as fallible as everyone else on this show. I wish the show would actually integrate her more as well as more effectively. Instead it seems, to me, they are relegating the character to just be used for conflict and as fodder for the other storylines Dabb seems determined to push full steam ahead on, the BMoL and Luci & his spawn, which I couldn't be less interested in. SMH *Shrug*
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