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Post by NoblestRomana on Feb 3, 2017 20:55:32 GMT -5
Do you have any theories about where the season is going?
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Post by luxshine on Feb 3, 2017 22:45:11 GMT -5
I am 99% sure that it will end with Mary sacrificing herself and/or possesed by Lucifer. Other than that, I have no idea because I don't feel this season has any cohesive arc.
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Post by gobeklitepe1 on Feb 4, 2017 21:02:49 GMT -5
I hope you're wrong about Mary; I can't see what she would think she would be accomplishing. Then again, with the writing on the show...
I'm just concerned we're going to be getting Jesse Redux, though this time with an Evil Jesse. Luci, Jr. It would be nice to have something completely new for a change.
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Post by ilovedean27 on Feb 4, 2017 21:43:03 GMT -5
I have a feeling that something bad will happen to Cas as a result of killing Billy (or Billie?). I don't think Mary will last past this season.
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Post by sukigirl on Feb 4, 2017 23:16:28 GMT -5
I have a horrible feeling that Cas will have to take the place of Billie, that those are the consequences of killing her. Why there was none at the killing of Death is a major fail on the shows part.
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Post by luxshine on Feb 5, 2017 20:23:51 GMT -5
See, Suki, I would've loved if the consequence of killing Death was for Dean to take his place (Because Death!Dean would've rocked!) but I don't think Cas taking Billie's place would make a lot of sense especially since they made Reapers be just Angels with a different job. That doesn't sound like a lot of "cosmic consequence", does it?
Gobe: I hope I am wrong about Mary too. But these writers tend to go to the cheap moment, and Mary dying again would've the cheapest thing.
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Post by sukigirl on Feb 6, 2017 4:44:49 GMT -5
Lux, reapers seem to have more power than ordinary angels though so I don't know. Also angels are a different species so I don't think Dean could have ever become death. It's interesting to speculate though.
Misha made a comment at his M&G last week that he would become more powerful than he should. What he meant by this I don't know. That's why I speculated about him becoming a reaper but it could be any number of things.
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Post by loops on Feb 6, 2017 5:27:42 GMT -5
Lux, I thought they might take the Mary-as-sacrifice route too, until last week in First Blood when they had her almost sacrifice herself. Surely the writers won't revisit it a second time? (Eh, who am I kidding?)
I'm wondering if Mary might betray the boys with the BMOL in some way? She seemed a little too eager when Mick was giving her his spiel. Or maybe she's playing along and will be instrumental in bringing them down.
Is anyone else NOT interested in the BMOL arc at all?
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Post by paforrest on Feb 6, 2017 7:07:39 GMT -5
I honestly don't know where the season is going, because I don't think Dabb and Singer have a clue. I think they're throwing noodles at a wall to see what sticks. They have certain interests - or, at least, Dabb does, like Mary being a Sue, Rosemary's baby v 2.0, and the BMoL. But even though those things interest Dabb, I'm not convinced he knows what to do about them.
I really don't think Singer cares about anything other than getting an episode done on time and on budget, and adhering to the Js' contracts to give them x-amount of time off.
Certainly the most predictable thing is Mary Sue sacrificing herself - but been there, done that, ad nauseam, and does anyone really care? Besides, it's obvious Dabb cares more about Mary Sue than Dean and Sam, both of whom he doesn't appear to like at all. So in terms of having a Winchester on the show, Mary Sue is his favorite, so I can't see him wanting to get rid of her. And Mary sacrificing herself for two sons she can't be paid enough to care about anyway just has no emotional resonance.
Having all these consequences for Cas killing dull, unimaginative, annoying Billie is eye-rolling, especially when there was not a single consequence from Dean killing the Big Kahuna, Death himself. Any reaper less than Death is just a blade of grass.
I'm not sure I've seen a single person pretend to be interested in the BMoL, though you know, loops, having Mary betray the brothers might make her moderately more interesting to me. Not anymore likable, granted - but I don't like her anyway, so may as well make her a villain. But I don't see that happening for the reason that she's Dabb's primary Sue. I'm guessing at this point Mary is just doing something stupid and is going to be betrayed herself, and the guys have to deal with the fall-out.
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Post by juppschmitz on Feb 6, 2017 12:56:30 GMT -5
luxshine and sukigirl - I don't think the consequences were supposed to be for killing Billie, but for breaking the deal with her. So it doesn't really apply to the situation with Dean killing Death. Having said that I too think that it is a crying shame that nothing whatsoever came from Dean killing Death except Billie being pissed at him. As to where the season is going, well, have this quote from Dabb: "That has become a real focal point for us in this season: Everybody looking for their place, looking for the way to do what they think is best in a world where it’s far, far too easy to do your worst." ( x) Haven't you all noticed how Sam and Dean have been looking for their place this season? No? Me neither... Other than that... Dabb is probably reading all the different SPN boards to get an inspiration where the season might be going.
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Post by NoblestRomana on Feb 6, 2017 13:55:10 GMT -5
luxshine and sukigirl - I don't think the consequences were supposed to be for killing Billie, but for breaking the deal with her. So it doesn't really apply to the situation with Dean killing Death. Having said that I too think that it is a crying shame that nothing whatsoever came from Dean killing Death except Billie being pissed at him. Yeah, it was one my main issues last season because by all accounts Death dying should have had some sort of effect. Maybe not season 5 levels of apocalypse, but something.
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Post by crowleygal on Feb 7, 2017 8:18:45 GMT -5
When Dean killed Death, he also broke a deal. He was supposed to kill Sam in exchange for Death putting him away somewhere.
Plus, Billie was all talk and no action. Despite all her talk about how she would never help a Winchester and liked seeing them not get what they wanted, she kept helping them anyway.
It's a question I'd love to ask both Julian Richings and Lisa Berry at a con. Why does Death have such a soft spot for Dean?
So I hope the cosmic consequences go no-where because I have no interest to see Cas face consequences when it was just dropped for Dean.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Feb 9, 2017 19:12:05 GMT -5
I'm leaning toward Mary not going anywhere this season. They did all the same worrying and boohooing over Dean with the MoC and he didn't go anywhere, either. Plus, her presence gives more reasons for Castielcentric episodes, since they can pair up. And they're already Bobby-ing her. It sounds as though we will get stuck with the stupid Lucifer Jr. plot as the mytharc (such as it is) for the end of the season and that the LoL will be involved somehow. Though the situation could end up way above their paygrade before that. I do think they will pretty much all get killed off. They're super-unpopular and they're basically this season's version of the Campbell Redneck Cousins, anyway. Mick's around through 12.16 or so and will be in the Bunker around that time. Jensen let slip at a recent con that Chuck is probably coming back to help sort things out. I don't see anything happening due to Billie's warning, to be honest. If they didn't have anything to follow that up after Death got whacked, I don't see them coming up with anything they can afford the budget to show for a lesser character like Billie, either. It's just another way to generate pointless tension that won't pay off.
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Post by anouck9 on Feb 18, 2017 11:16:24 GMT -5
I have now idea where the story is going, though I know that I have sadly 0 interest in what seem to be the main storylines (Lucifer, Lucifer Baby, LOL, and I'm even struggling with Mary now) There's so many callbacks to season 6 that I'm hoping they'll stay away from the cliche "Mary works withe LOL to bring John back" (please please no...) And I didn't like season 6 to begin with so... All I know is that I'm having less and less patience every time with the erasure of everything related to Dean (The Michael thing, Princes of Hell so we can forget all about the Knights of Hell and Cain, Dean's role in stopping the Darkness etc, while in the same time we had a call back to Psychic Sam, Vessel Sam, Souless Sam, HellPain Sam etc... I don't have a lot of hope for a story about Dean at that point, and I'm afraid that Regarding Dean was more or less the upshot of the season. If the episode with the Alpha Vampire passes without at least a mention of VampireDean, and only goes back to the Alpha remembering Sam... I think I'll be outie.
Of course, I'm still pissed and bitter about last episode, so I may change my mind after the next one, but the promo doesn't feel me with confidence.
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Post by Mystique on Feb 18, 2017 14:48:47 GMT -5
All I know is that I'm having less and less patience every time with the erasure of everything related to Dean (The Michael thing, Princes of Hell so we can forget all about the Knights of Hell and Cain, Dean's role in stopping the Darkness etc, while in the same time we had a call back to Psychic Sam, Vessel Sam, Souless Sam, HellPain Sam etc... I don't have a lot of hope for a story about Dean at that point, and I'm afraid that Regarding Dean was more or less the upshot of the season. If the episode with the Alpha Vampire passes without at least a mention of VampireDean, and only goes back to the Alpha remembering Sam... I think I'll be outie.
Ah, yes, the Vampire one. Here's the Official synopsis.
"OFFICIAL SYNOPSIS: SAMMY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER – A chance to take out a nest of vampires backfires when the alpha-vamp shows up and turns the tables on Mary (guest star Samantha Smith) and The British Men of Letters, who are doing their best to recruit Sam (Jared Padalecki) and Dean (Jensen Ackles). Directed by John MacCarthy, the episode was written by Robert Berens. (#1214). Original airdate 3/2/2017." Yeah, I'm not holding out much hope for it with that.
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