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Post by aduty1 on Mar 10, 2017 14:56:48 GMT -5
I didn't see it but I'm down voting it on principal. This is the first episode in 12 seasons that I haven't watched. My only solace is it got a .5 in the ratings. It seems to me that every Dean episode raises the ratings the next week and every dean lite ep lowers the next week. The way it is going we will be at .1 by years end. Someone above Dabb needs to step in and fix this now.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 10, 2017 18:06:26 GMT -5
I don't think this is a slump, either, but I also don't think Dabb had all that much showrunner influence on last season. That was pretty clearly Carver's storyline, making Dean one of the three most important beings in the SPNverse, especially after Dabb started blathering about bringing things down a notch from the epic (which apparently meant ignoring the crap out of Dean and anything like a storyline for him) this season. I don't think Dabb liked that storyline at all.
Didn't help when Perez was going on about "balance" and Dabb didn't contradict him.
An alternate theory is that Dean got big storylines only as long as Singer was distracted or absent and now that he's back....
Sam now has the Idjit Ball firmly in his court. Castiel is no better. And Dean is (once again--shocker) being isolated from the rest of his family and friends by their own stupidity. Which means he will probably have to save the day near the end of the season. Or try to. What a thankless task that is on this show.
Dean was not a neat freak at all in early seasons. Sam's always been the OCD one. Dean was basically portrayed as a slob until they got to the Bunker. Since then, it's depended on the writer, but Dean has been portrayed pretty consistently as obsessive in one area--he will hunthunthunt until there's nothing left and *then* he will shower.
Regarding Dowley, that is totally a two-way street in the intentional subtext department for Mark and Jensen. Notice how Jensen complained about the purple prose given to him and Misha in "The Born-Again Identity," and all last season that Dean's relationship with Amara wasn't romantic, but it's purple all the way between Dean and Crowley, and nary a peep of protest from Jensen.
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Post by idahoforspn on Mar 10, 2017 19:41:45 GMT -5
I just joined this forum. I tried another (after IMDB) but can't handle the gushing over Perez's writing. I didn't care for the episode that much and his first one was awful if you like Dean as a character. Is it a minority that thinks Perez is a bad writer and that Dean has been sidelined this season a lot? According to the other forum, everything is marvelous and those who have concerns over the writing are pretty much a small group of rabid Dean fans. At least here I am reading posts by other folks who are concerned with the imbalance in writing.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 10, 2017 23:26:32 GMT -5
I saw quite a lot of "That sucked!" on Twitter about it.
There is an element of the fandom that will brook no criticism whatsoever of the show, but I think they've always been in the minority. As Dean put it in "The Monster at the End of This Book," "For fans, they sure do complain a lot." That's us saltgunners, all right.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 11, 2017 0:57:04 GMT -5
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Post by Mystique on Mar 14, 2017 16:50:30 GMT -5
The Talking Dead briefly discussed Lucille being on Supernatural. I thought it was pretty funny and I thought I'd share.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 14, 2017 21:26:02 GMT -5
The Talking Dead briefly discussed Lucille being on Supernatural. I thought it was pretty funny and I thought I'd share.
It's kind of funny how some of The Walking Dead fans are losing their minds over it. SPN has *always* been a meta commentary on the horror genre and with JDM involved, it was inevitable (remember the riff on his Grey's Anatomy character in "Changing Channels"?). It was probably just a matter of time and figuring out how to get away with it without getting sued.
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Post by luxshine on Mar 14, 2017 23:26:41 GMT -5
I just joined this forum. I tried another (after IMDB) but can't handle the gushing over Perez's writing. I didn't care for the episode that much and his first one was awful if you like Dean as a character. Is it a minority that thinks Perez is a bad writer and that Dean has been sidelined this season a lot? According to the other forum, everything is marvelous and those who have concerns over the writing are pretty much a small group of rabid Dean fans. At least here I am reading posts by other folks who are concerned with the imbalance in writing. Oh, that's a very common trend on most boards about SPN. They're completely controlled by Sam fans, so anything that is not 100% gushing about Sam is negative and a lie. I mean, I just read that apparently, this is the FIRST season where Sam is getting his dues as a hunter from the writing team. I pointed out that that wasn't the case, got labeled a crazy extreme Dean girl.
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Post by idahoforspn on Mar 17, 2017 20:22:27 GMT -5
Yes. I brought up specific problems with the writing for Dean and the responses were specifics of good writing for Sam. Apparently good writing for Sam makes anything else irrelevant. I also got a lot of how great it was the writers were finally recognizing what a great hunter Sam is. My point is I don't understand why the writers can't write for both leads well. And I feel that Jensen needing time off for the twins is being used as an excuse for poor writing for the screen time he has. He needs the time off but that doesn't mean he needs to be written as irrelevant while he is there. If he has to be there to film, give him something worthwhile that contributes to the story.
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Post by thesnowleopard on Mar 17, 2017 22:28:06 GMT -5
Yeah, the writing for Sam this year hasn't exactly been stellar, either. I'm guessing the whole "Sam finally gets to be a Hunter" stuff is conveniently eliding all those years when the mytharc was All About Sam. And how unpopular SuperHunter Soulless Sam was.
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Post by Mystique on Mar 18, 2017 21:37:27 GMT -5
The Talking Dead briefly discussed Lucille being on Supernatural. I thought it was pretty funny and I thought I'd share.
It's kind of funny how some of The Walking Dead fans are losing their minds over it. SPN has *always* been a meta commentary on the horror genre and with JDM involved, it was inevitable (remember the riff on his Grey's Anatomy character in "Changing Channels"?). It was probably just a matter of time and figuring out how to get away with it without getting sued. I don't do a lot of social media, so I have really only seen positive responses by fans who mainly are fans of both shows. But I am sure that there are some vs fans, and that there are some unhappy about it.
I never watched Grey's Anatomy, but figured it was spoof on one of those hospital dramas.
I don't doubt a lawsuit was most probably a big concern for them, but I'm glad they found a way to work it out.
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Post by flayedman on Mar 20, 2017 17:14:26 GMT -5
This episode was saved for me simply for the Lucifer vs Crowley scene. Having Crowley be that cunning and intelligent was good. I thought it was weird that he would "improve" Lucifer's vessel but the way he did that was a great idea so he could really enact some vengeance. Otherwise, "meh" episode.
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