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Post by paforrest on Oct 12, 2017 14:26:49 GMT -5
But I am so forking sick and tired of this Ostroff-hangover bullshirt where everybody has to bang away about SPN's alleged misogyny, while ignoring the elephant in the room that is all the other shows that have no excuse for their embarrassing lack of parity. At least SPN's is baked in, since it only has two main characters and they're brothers. I agree completely. This show's particular formula is what it has always been since the beginning, and it just feels like overwrought PC'ness at this point to complain about the lack of female presence in a show whose singular premise was focused on a pair of brothers. Sure, there have been female characters over the years that they've gotten rid of who I'd like to have stuck around in some capacity. But, guess what, I can say the same about many male characters who have been killed off that I'm missing too. This show's fetish for killing off good characters, of both genders, is definitely a problem, no argument here. Though it's nowhere near as big a problem as keeping or resurrecting really crappy ones no one gives a damn about. Yes, Lucifer, I'm looking at you.
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Post by paforrest on Oct 12, 2017 14:20:18 GMT -5
The show may suck, but I have to admit the entire EW photo shoot is pretty awesome! I may actually have to pick up a copy, or a couple.
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Post by paforrest on Sept 27, 2017 6:18:33 GMT -5
Yeah, Misery is just something else to make me not look forward to season 13. LD's "acting" style is and will be hella predictable, because she plays the same character all the time, and there's no doubt Dabb will make sure she's as horrible to Dean as possible, 'cuz it's funny doncha know.
Since it sounds like Jensen may have filmed a little more in this episode than Jared, you may be right about Misery ignoring Sam for a change.
But since ultimately her appearance has more to do with the spin-off that Dabb & Co. are far more interested in and concerned about that the mothership anyway (i.e., introducing the granddaughter), I expect the episode to be more boring than anything else. As to whether Misery survives, I'd love to think she bites the big one, it would be the one positive for me personally, but I'm not counting on it.
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Post by paforrest on Sept 13, 2017 5:25:51 GMT -5
Yup, and the fact that the Michael storyline is being given to Mary. The insults just keep racking up. I've yet to hear a single thing that makes me want to tune in.
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Post by paforrest on Aug 28, 2017 14:20:42 GMT -5
Even worse, I'll bet it's "I wanted to ax Mark Sheppard so I could get my own characters there and make my mark on the show as the creative genius I just know I am." Mind you, I've been saying for years that Crowley was way past his sell-by date, but that death scene was just insulting. They couldn't even let Mark have that one line? What the hell? And what about Crowley's obsession with Dean? He'd have probably bailed back through the rift if it had just been Sam there. Yes, okay, kill him off, but give him a good exit. That wasn't. Agreed. Whether you wanted him killed off or not, that wasn't the way you treat a name character actor, and a fan fav, who has been with the show since season five. Dabb went out of his way to make Crowley's death as insulting and meaningless as possible. And, yes, onali, killing off multiple characters within minutes of each other was absolutely part and parcel of Dabb's middle finger to Mark. When an on screen action looks, feels, and smells like a BTS childish insult, it almost always is.
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Post by paforrest on Aug 28, 2017 5:58:11 GMT -5
What’s happening with Hell now that Crowley’s dead on Supernatural? It’s pretty much what you’d imagine. When one leader falls, another must step up. But the question is: Who will earn their spot in Hell’s throne? (Hint: It might be someone we’ve never met before.) “There is a power vacuum,” showrunner Andrew Dabb says of the situation in Hell. “Into that power vacuum will step a new player for us. Once Crowley is gone, demon-kind and some of our players — some we’ve met before and some that are new — start asking themselves: What is the future of Hell? People come with various different agendas.” Source; ew.com/tv/2017/08/24/spoiler-room-greys-anatomy-supernatural-flash/Translation, I wanted to take an ax to Mark Sheppard's contract so I could get a few nobodies in for scale in that role.
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Post by paforrest on Aug 14, 2017 5:46:07 GMT -5
Best thing I've heard come out of a con in ages! That's all I want is for Jensen to take on roles, however small, outside of SPN - especially given his now phenomenal amount of downtime during the shooting year. Might as well put it to good use!
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Post by paforrest on Aug 9, 2017 12:38:50 GMT -5
Because I know we were all hoping and praying he would be. *cough* Yes, that was sarcasm. Seriously, though, they're not even waiting to see if this guy is popular or anything. They didn't even give Sam Smith regular status. I fully expect that Dabb's intention right now is to slide this guy over to the spin-off if all goes well (for him, I don't give a shit), 'cuz they'll have all the young females they want, so now they need a little young testosterone to round it out as the perfect CW series.
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Post by paforrest on Aug 8, 2017 18:50:48 GMT -5
FWIW. according to spoiler TV, these are the episode names of the first nine episodes plus #16 (Scooby Doo episode): 1. Lost and Found
2. The Rising Sun
3. Patience
4. The Big Empty
5. Advanced Thanatology
6. Tombstone
7. War of the Worlds
8. The Scorpion and the Frog
9. The Bad Place . . . .
16. Scoobynatural
www.spoilertv.com/2017/08/supernatural-episode-1301-1309-titles.html
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Post by paforrest on Jul 26, 2017 14:45:39 GMT -5
Missouri is a blatant racial stereotype that I think went relatively under the radar because LD is easily capable of bringing a warm presence to the screen and 2005 wasn't 2017, and it was a better done show then. Trying that same character now and potentially trying to replicate it with a CW appropriate actress sounds like it'll go over like a Man's Best Friend With Benefits (ironically taking place in St Louis, Missouri). It's a shame that as badly as Missouri was handled I still consider her a small wasted opportunity just from casting and what I think could have been. If I didn't think it would go terribly wrong I'd like her back for a second attempt with the character. I think LD is an awesome singer, but as an "actress", uh, no, I think she's one-dimensional and plays up the sassy stereotype herself to where it borders/crosses the line into nasty just too easily. So I fully expect a repeat performance complete with treating Dean like dogshit for no apparent reason than the showrunners think it's funny, just like Kripke did in Home. Misery - and she was a misery - ranks dead last or close to it of characters I ever wanted to see again. This is one episode I wish Dean really wasn't in at all.
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Post by paforrest on Jul 16, 2017 7:11:20 GMT -5
I highly doubt that Mark S would agree to come back in any shape and form so Crowley is out, we'll see about Rowena but since the problem is with the writing, even the best of actors can only do so much... So yeah... pretty much 0 hope. And that tidbit about parenting Jack seems like another Dean's thing given to Sam because I'll lay good bets on Sam being the parent and the one with the "bond" with Jack. So either a "parenting" like Dean had to do for Sam, or a ripoff of Dean and Amara bond from S11, expect that while for Dean it's was treated by Sam and Cas as something to be suspicious of, for Sam it would be treated as a good thing, with Sam"s "beautiful soul" (Sorry, I threw up in my mouth a little) guiding Jack to the path of rightousness (sorry, threw up a little more...) Apparently Mark S. confirmed yesterday, at whatever con they're doing this weekend (Chicago?), that he WON'T be guest-starring, and that it was a "clean break" with the show. So Dabb needs to stop lying through his ass given how easy it is for fans to hear right from the horse's mouth that Crowley won't be back. Of course, Dabb still could bring Crowley back, I guess, in the form of another actor, which I'm sure is what he'd do just for spite. And if he intends to bring in Michael, he won't be played by Jensen Ackles. Dabb would garner much in-your-face glee from giving that role to literally anyone else too, and he will. As for the bros being parents to Jack (YAWN), I'm sure Dabb means that in the exact same way he meant the bros will be "generals" last year - i.e., Sam and ONLY SAM will be Jack's "parent" as Dean stands mute in the background with his arms crossed leaning up against the wallpaper while Sam pontificates to Jack. Of course, in this case that's fine with me since this whole idea is hella stupid. And I'm sure Sam will be every bit as *cough*good*cough* a parent as he was a "general". So Jack should be dead within 5 minutes. Problem solved. If this was literally any other show, I'd swear they were trolling us with these truly horrible spoilers.
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Post by paforrest on Jun 21, 2017 15:52:08 GMT -5
Which only means Dabb will have even less interest than he has now, which is none, in the original series concept, just marking time until he can put 100% into the spinoff. This. On some level this might be good for SPN, but it depends on who takes Dabb's job over. But see, that's the problem, I don't think the CW cares to make anymore showrunner changes to the original series - they're most likely going to stick with Dabb/Singer to the end now, which means having two showrunners and likely an entire compliment of producers focused on two projects, but clearly more interested in the new baby. If the pilot goes to series and this is what happens - because I do think Dabb and Berens will simply take the group of writers they have over to the Wayward Sisters thing (seriously stupid name) - the original series will continue to get slighted and just limp to the end. If the CW brings Carver back to finish off the original series, we may have a better shot of a decent ending - that's assuming the way season 11 ended had nothing to do with Carver because he was working on Frequency at the time (and I do still believe firmly that Carver left the show pretty much after the season 11 premiere, but for sure by the Christmas break).
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Post by paforrest on Jun 21, 2017 6:15:35 GMT -5
Oh, Jensen sweetie, he wasn't messing with you. I don't think Jensen realized at all how much he just proved that the writers give pretty much no thought whatsoever to their writing. There is no deeper meaning, everything is surface and superficial, no rhyme or reason - just words on a page that they've forgotten about two seconds later. It's lovely that Jensen still tries to elevate the writing into something meaningful after all these years, especially under the direction of showrunners and producers who have zero interest in his own character. But that's what makes Jensen who he is, and them who they are - and the differences are a gulf apart as wide as the Grand Canyon.
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Post by paforrest on Jun 21, 2017 6:02:13 GMT -5
I'm happy for the cast and fans who pushed for the pilot to be greenlighted. I wonder if Berens might move over as showrunner if it's picked up to series? (Personally, though, the premise lost me at: "Under Mills’ training and protection, these women will emerge as a supreme monster-fighting force." It wouldn't surprise me if, within a few short months, they'll be even better than the Winchesters. Oy.) I think they've overestimated the genuine level of interest in this concept, but I honestly don't care one way or the other if it flies or doesn't. If it does, great for Kim et. al. - if not it's no skin off my nose since I won't be tuning in. But, yes, if it does go to series I predict Kim's Jodi Mills will be more of the figurehead character because the CW is going to want the series to concentrate on the younger/teen females running around kicking butt who will, of course, put the Winchesters to shame, even if it's only virtually - i.e., they never appear on said show, which I would hope they don't, especially Dean since he'd be used to make fun of more than anything else. It does sound like Berens will be at the very least the co-showrunner with Dabb, since we know Dabb will be involved on some level, even if it's not as day-to day until they wrap up the original series. Which only means Dabb will have even less interest than he has now, which is none, in the original series concept, just marking time until he can put 100% into the spinoff.
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Post by paforrest on Jun 11, 2017 6:03:32 GMT -5
MTE.
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