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Post by paforrest on Jan 20, 2018 11:07:17 GMT -5
Six minutes of the Winchesters.Enjoy. I don't like that it was all too predictably dumbing down the guys to prop up Clairey Sue, the same way these producers always do every single time they want to pimp a guest-star. I didn't watch the "reveal", but even I could tell immediately that the 80-pound girl who was so easily kicking their asses - because apparently the guys are lame and useless now - was supposed to be an alt version of one of the Wayward chicks. Which one, didn't care. But the project isn't being created for me, and as I've said elsewhere, I don't care if it flies or tanks once it's having to stand on its own merit without the mothership name and original series stars attached to it. I'm not invested, I won't be watching anyway.
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Post by paforrest on Jan 19, 2018 7:01:29 GMT -5
Finally catching up, and I don't know that I have any wishes for this show anymore. I mean, I always wish for decent material for Jensen, for his character/the Winchester brothers to be treated with some kind of dignity and respect due the two guys for whom there is no show and wouldn't have been for 13 years.
I guess the only wish I can really come up with is for someone - not Dabb, not Singer, but someone else, maybe Kripke on loan - to write a credible finale for said two guys for whom there would be no show for 13 years ( did I mention that fact already)? But with the showrunning and producing being laser-focused on trying to eek out another couple of seasons with this Wayward thing, and not giving a damn at all about the mothership, I am not confident. Which, again, is why for all his faults I still think bringing in Kripke to write a series finale would be our best hope for a somewhat decent end, especially now that he's not fighting with the CW and doesn't have a chip on his shoulder like he did back in season 5 and again in 6 when he returned.
That's my remaining wish - a decent series finale.
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Post by paforrest on Jan 19, 2018 6:35:56 GMT -5
I hope everyone had a pleasant holiday, or a sane couple of months, however you want to look at it.
Gave the episode less than 0 because I sincerely don't care about the Wayward project, so it was another week off for me. I did wake up this morning to a friend's email with a youtube link to the Winchester cut (about 6 minutes). If anyone wants that, I can post it somewhere - here, I guess. And other than Dean's lizard shtick, it wasn't worth it - but, hey, at least I didn't have to dvr the episode and tax my FF finger.
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Post by paforrest on Dec 10, 2017 16:02:29 GMT -5
So, Trump's America was referenced but I distinctly remember a Presidential Lucifer pregnancy arc. Shouldn’t Trump's America not exist in the Supernatural verse. That's funny, I didn't even remember the Luci as president storyline, mostly because I found S12 so lame and awful that I think I'm blocking it out. But, you're right, it doesn't fit, but continuity is not a word the SPN writers know the meaning of, or care about even if they do. Of all the Waywards, I do think Kaia is potentially the best addition - certainly better than boring Patience Sue. Not that I really care about any of them, it's not like I'm going to be watching the show; but I found Kaia to be a little more interesting and better acted. Though I find it highly amusing that the preview for the second part of the midseason episode focused entirely on Dean and Sam, when, from everything I've heard about it, I'm guessing they're barely going to be in the episode as it's the big backdoor pilot episode for the Waywards. I anticipated they were going to show other AUs and not just the penny-sized apocalyptic world that Luci and Mary are in - or, rather, that Mary is still in, and Luci was in before he wasn't anymore. Easy way of keeping the brothers continuously out of Mary's orbit, which is just fine by me. Before I saw the episode I read the backlash on twitter about Dean pulling a gun on Kaia; and, yeah, I do think it was OOC, even though I understand what he was going for and the mindset Dean was in at the time. Normally something like that would really piss me off, yet I don't know why but I found I just didn't give a damn. The angel stomping was, naturally, a new twist on discontinuity - but at the same time I admit I found it kind of cool. All in all, I don't know - I guess I'd give this a 3-4/10.
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Post by paforrest on Dec 2, 2017 16:03:35 GMT -5
I just watched this one, and I'll probably watch it again - which is the surest sign that it's more entertaining than most.
Meredith redeemed herself somewhat by allowing Dean to be upfront and center in this episode, for the first time since she wrote Regarding Dean last year, and interact with guest stars and everything! Sad that we have to be surprised by something that should be automatic, but it is what it is now. Really, though, I thought this episode was better than that other steaming pile of crap she offered up this season.
But, yeah, other than everything being about JACK JACK JACK JACK - which, as I've said before, is NOT going to change, that much is clear - the whole heist/caper aspect of the episode was pretty damn entertaining, as were really all of the guest stars. Good casting in this one, and overall a decent brotherly team effort.
Of course, there's the contracted "Sam's the smart one" line, which was uber lame because it sounded like a contract demanded line in so much as it didn't actually pan out that way as the episode played out. But I guess if it makes Jared and his agent happy ... whatevs.
The most shocking part is the fact that when Bart talked about needing a person who had been to Hell and back, he looked right at Dean and his Hell was actually remembered! Literally could have knocked me over with a feather at that point. Even better, Sera's stealing of Dean's storyline for Sam wasn't, as if it never happened (because it shouldn't have). Something like this makes me think Jensen may have made a few demands for this season, on the heels of the utter waste of air time that was his role in season 12. No way he could have been happy with Dean's role - or lack thereof - in season 12.
7/10
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Post by paforrest on Dec 1, 2017 17:46:45 GMT -5
I'm very excited by this news! It's about damn time!
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Post by paforrest on Nov 25, 2017 8:52:49 GMT -5
Not sure how to respond to this one. Even though I just watched it off the dvr more recently than Tombstone, I had to read Snow's recap to remember what the hell happened. Had a dvr full of TV recorded while I was away, so everything is blending together as I'm burning it all off.
The only two things that really stand out about this episode to me are 1) the fact that the CW actually aired original programming on Thanksgiving night - that was unprecedented, I think. Not surprising that the ratings bombed, but then again that's why the networks normally don't air original programming on Thanksgiving or Christmas. D'uh.
And, 2) the fact that Dean actually called Asmodeus "Colonel Sanders", exactly the way most of fandom has referred to him since the second he was introduced. I have to wonder when this was written or filmed - was it after the season started and the character introduced, because it feels like they co-opted the name from fandom. Otherwise, it would be even weirder if they always intended the character to come off like a demented Col Sanders.
So predictable that they're setting up Luci for a redemption arc - which might have sorta maybe worked with me at one time (or not, I don't know) if Pellegrino hadn't turned out to be such a raging douchebag. But points for Mary being MIA - don't miss her ever, wish she'd stay MIA.
Alt!Michael is a bore - wasn't sure about him at first, now I realize he's just dumb and dull. Sure, I liked seeing some version of Kevin again, and I wasn't expecting Ketch to return, which seems unnecessary. But his return also appeared to lay the foundation for a possible return of Rowena, who does need to be resurrected IMO, because it was Trump-level childish of Dabb to screw over Ruth as collateral damage in his quest to dump on Mark Sheppard.
I did like that Dean was allowed to be the one who never trusted a thing "twin" Ketch said, and turned out to be right.
Castiel is immediately back to being stupid - also predictable.
Yet I'm feeling generous. 4/10
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Post by paforrest on Nov 25, 2017 8:21:07 GMT -5
5/10 for me.
Perez best script yet, though that's not saying much.
Dean being in the action but not getting the kill this time, yeah I'm okay with that, Sarge's role in it was personal and he deserved the kill. I liked seeing Dean happy because Cas is back, and at least some real TFW and Dean and Cas scenes.
The Jack love-fest (with all of TFW molly-coddling him) was way over the top, his whining was exhausting to watch, and majorly detracted from the overall enjoyment for me.
Trying to catch up a little this weekend from being out of town since Nov 13. Attended the Hawaii con because, you know, it was a chance to go to Hawaii. Anyway, watched this one on a friend's iPad almost a week later, the day I was flying back to reality (waaaah!). Sure, as Perez episodes go, this was the best because for the first time he actually allowed Dean to work the entire case/episode and have some up front and personal time with the guest star, who I agree deserved the kill, though at least Dean was in on the action. Jensen relayed a funny story about the getting into the hole thing when they were filming, so maybe that infused a little more charm into the episode than might normally be there. I agree the whole thing with all the guys fretting over Jack, especially Castiel who never met the dude until this episode but acts like he personally gave birth to him, is moronic. But I still get the impression, especially the way the guys talked about Jack's addition to the show, that there are big plans for this character in the spin-off, and that's what everyone BTS cares about, and that's not going to change. The reunion scene ended up being very meh and cut short due almost entirely to Castiel's phantom birth pangs about Jack, and the episode loses big points for that. Gets back some of that for stylin' "Texas Ranger" Dean. Overall, the episode was slow and not particularly interesting. But given the incredibly low ass bar I have for Perez's writing - even more than most on this writing staff - it was his best effort for my money. Not saying much, no, but at least Dean didn't disappear 15 minutes into the episode to go on a coffee run or something. 5/10
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Post by paforrest on Nov 10, 2017 18:54:23 GMT -5
So, do you think Yockey will become the one Dean fan writer on staff, or was this one a fluke? I was shocked at how Deancentric this episode was, and that after being such a douchebag to Dean every episode until now, Sam suddenly wanted to understand and care about his brother's pain. Sam really is just a plot device at this point.
I think this episode in general was leaps and bounds above everything else this season because foremost it wasn't an episode of "Jacknatural". The kid was benched - finally. Yockey wrote an episode that was actually about the brothers working an old-fashioned case together - and a storyline that honestly felt more along the lines of the Kripke years. And even though I'm sick to freaking death of the only thing Jensen being given for his character are depression issues year after year, Jensen per norm rose to the occasion and nailed a variety of raw emotions in this episode. Even better, he was allowed to legitimately interact with the guest stars for a change, and took the lead after playing Sam's wallpaper all season 12.
I thought it was a fairly logical interesting twist in promoting Billie to Death, and as Death she was a LOT less annoying than she was as a reaper. It was also interesting and completely out of the blue for her to tell Dean that he was important (of course, she had to include Sam). But fool me ... a gazillion times? Yeah, I'll believe this leads to something when it's actually written down on paper, filmed, and aired on TV. Still, we haven't heard anything like that for a long time.
I also liked how the reveal that Cas was back was played predominantly between Dean and Cas, and Sam was there off to the sidelines. Boo-hoo Sam fans - now you know how season 12 felt for Dean fans.
I'm not sure Cas hadn't done come back wrong again, though. It'd be redundant as hell, but that's how SPN rolls.
7/10
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Post by paforrest on Nov 3, 2017 6:24:54 GMT -5
I deleted it unwatched after reading the reactions from last night's episode of Jacknatural (let's be honest at this point). Sounds like a full hour of nothing but Dean-bashing, which was fully expected as we all knew Dean was being set up to be wrong about Saint Wacky Jacky. And thus it earns my first less than zero rating of the year (really do appreciate that rating choice).
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Post by paforrest on Oct 28, 2017 10:50:22 GMT -5
I'm so disconnected from the show that I haven't been able to muster any enthusiasm, be it happy or angry, to genuinely rate these episodes. They're all so meh that I just settle on a general "3" for everything. Seems easier, though I don't think they deserve much more than that.
I'm all for the brothers having separate storylines, providing Dean legit has one, so that was fine. I despise Misery, so I was good with her being offed right away. Besides, I always got the impression that's what was going to happen so that Patience the Boring Psy Kid would feel compelled to join Jodi and her wayward whatevs. Retconning Misery as a "hunter" was lame, but that's how Singer and Dabb roll.
I hated that Jodi threw Dean under bus at the end of this episode, so any little bit of fondness I had for her went right out the window. Fine, it just gives me reason #127 not to tune into the spin-off. Between Jodi acting like she knows better than Dean who has lived his whole life as a hunter, and boring Patience and her boring psy abilities that saved everyone - because apparently they were all bumbling fools without her - you're getting a great taste of the foundation of the spin-off, which will be how Jodi and her young hot chicks are SOOOOOOOO much better than the idjit Winchester brothers. Fully expected, but now entirely confirmed.
Otherwise, like I said, I have no real feelings about this episode one way or the other. Sure, Jensen was excellent in his Dean rant to Sam at the end, and I always love it when Dean gets that rare chance to stand up to Sam. And at least Dean got to kill something too - because, you know, Sam wasn't there. Though still surprising seeing as Berens et. al. are only interested in the spin-off and not the Winchester brothers in general, so it's shocking that Berens didn't hand the kill to Jodi or Patience.
I saw someone on another board say that even though they weren't at all enamored of this season, WRT Dean it was slightly improved because so far Dean hasn't been reduced to valium!Dean like he was all last year, and I agree on that point. At least, so far.
I FF'd through most of Sam and Jack, but I could tell it was hella boring. Sam was an ass, per norm, and of course Dean is being set up for a fall, which is predictable as hell, and to which I say to the showrunners, fudge you. The relentless woobification of the demon seed is truly barf-inducing.
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Post by paforrest on Oct 22, 2017 7:48:54 GMT -5
I hate when characters have a conversation about someone while that person is sleeping right by them. So stupid. Then they do it while the supernatural being is awake and then when he can definitely hear them. At that point you deserve to have him turn on you. Maybe don't let him read the bible. So... they have a southern gentleman demon with minions who he'll kill for not being good enough. The one who is focused on is a black man, Ahhh, nepotism duo and slavery undertones. Setting Mary up for Lucifer to save her from being raped or murdered. Then he briefly tortures her. For Chuck's sake. Sam is a selfish, projecting idjit and Dean is an idjit for being openly hostile and telling Jack he'll kill him. Maybe you can make an argument for honesty or not getting caught in a lie but it's also an obvious way to push him towards it. Having good or evil conversations around him is moronic. Sam once again walking in and saving Dean. Awesome... at least Dean got to kill something this time. And he shot something. Big episode... I did laugh at Dean saying he'd be the one to kill Jack just because it's more like Sam will teleport in and do it while Dean is artfully beaten up. Jack is going to get addicted to his own power and anger in the name of "doing the right thing" just like Sam did. I'm calling it now. Yes, I'm already beyond tired of having Sam come in and save Dean every freaking episode. But I give points to the Nep Duo for at least turning around and allowing Dean to kill one of the demons with that cool knife throw, and for getting to shoot faux Donatello to prove he was someone/something else. It's clear that Jared P. has zero ability to perform stunts, especially ones that involve a lot of faux-fighting, like Jensen can do. But with Singer/Dabb insistence that "first in credits" play the hero most of the time, we can continue to expect Sam to get the last-second saves/kills while Jensen/Dean does all the actual fighting work up to the point that the baddie has to die. Annoying as hell, but also makes it increasingly obvious (as it has been to many of us over the years) that Jared simply doesn't have the capabilities that Jensen does, and hasn't had those capabilities in years, if not for most of the series run. So this Col Sanders knock-off is who Singer/Dabb wanted so desperately to replace Crowley/Mark S with? Wow, that guy is terrible - nothing but one-dimensional caricature. As for Jack, kid still can't act, and I'm already nauseated by the "St. Sam wuvs him/Meanie Dean hates him" routine. So ridiculously superficial. WB needs to put out milk cartons declaring missing "Shades of Gray", "Subtlety", and "Layers". Oh, and how embarrassing is the Purgatory rip-off? Lucille and Mary kept passing the same buried church steeple during their journeys, and everything seems to happen in that one location. The alt-universe must be very small, like the size of a postage stamp. The budget for this show is worse than ever, all to justify Mark P. and Alexander Whatever's regular status. Plus the whole Lucille/Michael throw-down was Trump-level "sad". I thought this was on par with the premiere - maybe another 3. The only surprise out of this episode is how Dean and Sam were in it more than I expected seeing as the Js were at Comic Con the entire week this was being filmed, so I really assumed they'd barely show up.
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Post by paforrest on Oct 16, 2017 8:43:23 GMT -5
I am really, really angry that the show let Sam kill an angel. Because of course, Dean can´t have one thing that makes him special if Sam doesn´t have it too. Other than that, it was VERY obvious that they wanted people to warm up to Jack, which doesn´t fill me with warm fuzzies. Yes, the Singer/Dabb "first in credits" mandate of the last two seasons is so obviously still in effect. If Sam is anywhere in the vicinity, he gets the kill, especially, as you pointed out, if it's something he hasn't killed before that Dean has. Which just makes me resent Sam, and if that's what Singer and Dabb want, so be it. The other thing I hate that is SO FREAKING OBVIOUS is how Dean is being set up to be wrong, wrong, wrong about Jack and Mary and everything - probably even his own name at this point. That lack of anything remotely resembling subtlety or shades is far beyond the capability of this writing staff.
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Post by paforrest on Oct 14, 2017 20:00:10 GMT -5
Finally FF/watched the episode tonight because it was there and needed to get off my dvr.
I'm sincerely not interested in anything that doesn't really involve Dean, not making any bones about it - or even less so than usual. So there's a lot I'm going to be skimming over, and judging by what I did watch of this episode, I'm missing nothing anyway.
Occasionally I did try and stop for a moment to see what this Jack brat was going to be like, and all I really got out of that experiment is the realization that the actor - I don't know, what's his name again? - can't act. OTOH, he seems perfect for the spin-off. I'll leave it at that.
I gave the episode an overly generous 3 for Jensen's two big scenes - praying and wrapping up Castiel's bod - and for his honesty in talking to the sheriff, who was the one guest star I liked. Even her kid was okay - certainly better acted than Jack.
Otherwise, the episode failed in the worst possible way in that it was SOOOOOOO boring. A total snooze-fest - that in and of itself warrants judicious use of the FF button. If it wasn't for Jensen, and Dabb's "graciousness" (insert sarcastic tone here) in allowing Dean to mention Crowley at least twice, the episode would have been a big fat 0.
The previews for next week's episode look even worse.
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Post by paforrest on Oct 13, 2017 5:33:29 GMT -5
A 10 for Dean's monologue and brooding eyes <3 At least he can fight again. Can he? I saw some complaints on twitter that once again Dean wasn't allowed to fight or get the kill, that it was S12 one-sided Dabb/Singer-mandated biz as usual. So that wasn't the case?
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